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Then please help me by doing your homework and coming
up with the goods on this "eternal sonship" dogma you
value so highly - from scripture - simple request ...
you should know why you believe something jht
I'm sorry if what I'm about to say comes accross
as a little bit gushy Judy but, as to your last statement concerning yourself,
I believe it of you with all of my heart and mind.
Lance you come across as
very passive and complacent if not patronising. My belief is that
the cross itself is the WIDENESS OF GOD'S MERCY
and that now as scripture says "it is the honor of kings to search out a
matter" IOW it is up to us to "seek the Lord while He may be found"
You continue to refuse to tell me how you
personally came to this "revelation" of the "eternal sonship" and why it is
so important to you while ATST telling me that one who does not
believe it is a heretick. As for me; I
am daily seeking the strait gate and the narrow way that leads to
life. judyt
As Rush often says to his callers (in a very
patronising manner which I don't intend herein) 'you've swerved into
something that is utterly profound.' Speaking only for myself Judy, I
believe that the answer to your question is 'YES AND IT IS NO'. As to our
Mormon participants, I believe the answer is more likely to be an
unequivocal 'YES'. How wide is 'THE WIDENESS OF GOD'S MERCY?' IFF, from
God's perspective, Judy Taylor and David Miller, have misunderstood the
matter of the 'eternal sonshiip' of the second Person of the Trinity and,
IFF, when it arises in conversation, they teach it.........well.....shall
we go on?
Lance, in view of our discussion yesterday -
would you say that you and I believe in a different Jesus?
Still waiting ... judyt
Please Dave, read Perry's post of
yesterday then, answer my question. Would you say, in lieu of Perry's
'list' that we (you and I) believe in a different Jesus? IMO Perry is
quite correct in those distinctions he points out.
DAVEH: No, I do
not recall saying that. However, I believe we all are viewing
the same Jesus, but have different perspectives on what we
see. The Jesus I believe in the same one found in the Bible
which is the same one you believe as you read about him in the
Bible. That does not mean we both view him the same way.
Does that make sense, Lance?
Lance Muir wrote:
Have you said that their's is a
'different' Jesus?
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June 21, 2005 00:55
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Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DAVEH: Logically, the onus is not
upon me to define the Jesus I believe in, but rather it is on
the person who suggests I don't believe in Jesus. FTR....I
have not said that the Jesus Kevin, you Perry or any other TTer
believes in is a false Jesus.
Lance Muir wrote:
DaveH says "Kevin, I believe in
Jesus." IFF we are going to engage in a conversation that
entails reality, then we have to continue to build upon that
which has been said previously.According to you THE JESUS
TO BE BELIEVED IN IS MOST FULLY AND ACCURATELY DESCRIBED
WITHIN MORMON TEACHING. Is this so? The Jesus believed in
by Kevin, Perry, Lance et al is a false Jesus. Is this not
also so? (unwieldy but, you get my point)What, IYO, are the
eternal consequenses for non-Mormons?
Mr. Moderator:Please grant DaveH
the opportunity of fully answering and,
explaining.
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Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DAVEH: FTR Kevin, I believe in
Jesus. Therefore can we conclude that you've
made the judgment rather than God?
Kevin Deegan
wrote:
He
will!
He Has!
JN 3:18 He that believeth
on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is
condemned already
DAVEH:
I fully understand that, Perry. But I'd feel more
comfortable
letting God make that judgment than
you.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
>
David,
>
> Romans 10:9,10 : That if thou
shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord
> Jesus,
and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised
him from
> the dead, thou shalt be saved. For
with the heart man believeth unto
>
righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made
unto salvation.
>
> But, as I have stated
before, the right jesus and right god must be
>
at the center of one's faith. I am not just harassing
you, Dave, I
> honestly do believe that the
mormons worship false gods.
>
>
Perry
>
>> From: Dave Hansen
>> Reply-To: [email protected]
>>
To: [email protected]
>>
Subject: [TruthTalk] Belief
>> Date: Sun, 19
Jun 2005 00:16:42 -0700
>>
>> DAVEH:
Yeah........Pretty quiet on TT
tonight..
>>
>> Do you believe that
those who believe in Jesus are saved, as I've
>> heard many Christians proclaim? If belief
is inadequate, what else
>> is needed,
Perry?
>>
>> Charles Perry Locke
wrote:
>>
>>> Dave, this is great.
Midnight, just me and you on TT, mano y mano,
>>> so to speak
:-)
>>>
>>> I guess I am biased
in that way, because both you and Blaine admit
>>> to following the christ and jesus of
mormonism, so it is my opinion
>>> that you
are lost since I believe that they are false gods. If I
>>> thought that you guys were saved in
spite of the teachings of the
>>> mormon
church I would not be spending so much time exposing the
>>> false nature of the mormon church to
you.
>>>
>>> But, the bottom
line is that God makes that ultimate decision, not
I.
>>>
>>>
Perry
>>>
>>
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