Sent:
June 21, 2005 06:34
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Contention
Thats it?
The way you been squeling I thought it might be a biggie,
Seems you have missed the post about "creator"
1) In short Did Jesus create everything that was made? (every
planet, every atom HB 11:3)Through faith we
understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that
things which are seen were not made of things which
do appear.
2) Did he create out of nothing or just Organized what already
existed?
3) Did others have a part or did he create it all by
himself?
4) Did Jesus create Satan or are they brothers?
From a Mormon:
Mormons believe that Jesus, Satan, and all mankind were present
with Heavenly Father before the world was created.
If you can clarify here, you can establish your claims go
ahead.
As I said before if I am ANTI Mormon then you are ANTI
Christian!
There are plenty of others that see this
too.
The word "anti-Mormon" is what's called a
"thought-terminating cliché," or in other words, an
Orwellian "newspeak" term. The purposeful use of a word like
this is a subtle brainwashing (or "conditioning," if "brainwashing" is
too strong of an _expression_) technique. By arbitrarily branding
all so-called "opponents" with a word specifically designed to
create a mental aversion, the leadership of an organization
cues their membership to subconsciously
censor themselves every time they use the word.
This is a common tactic employed by authoritarian
organizations which seek to reduce the flow of information to their
followers.
Games Mormon People Play
The Strategies and Diversions of
Latter-day Saint Apologists
Maybe a better definition is A name usually attributed to Bible
Christians who try to evangelize Mormons. Oftentimes
Mormons accuse such people of being motivated by hatred and
bigotry.
"Why do the Elders of the Church hold their peace,
instead of contradicting the various falsehoods, which are published
concerning them and their principles? The answer is, it would require
a standing army of writers and printers in constant employ; for no
sooner are our enemies detected in one falsehood, than a thousand more
are put in circulation by them: and there are many who love a
lie so much more than the truth, that we are quite willing
they should enjoy their strong delusion." (Parley P. Pratt,
Mormonism Unveiled, 1838)
Is this site then calling all those listed
in the links that follow Lovers of Lies?
Seems the real problem with John Ankerberg is maybe he
really does not have all those degress another Lover of
LIES!
This Mormon site calls the Tanners ANTI not because of any
UNTRUTH but because the facts they present portrays the Church in an
unfavorable light. During the Hoffman escapade it was the Tanners that
got it right from the start!
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/general/Publications_EOM.htm During
the 1950s, 1960s, and early 1970s, the Church had a generally
favorable public image as reflected in the news media. That image
became more negative in the later 1970s and the early 1980s. Church
opposition to the equal rights amendment and the excommunication of
Sonia Johnson for apostasy, the Church's position with respect to
priesthood and blacks (changed in 1978), a First Presidency statement
opposing the MX missile, the John Singer episode including the bombing
of an LDS meetinghouse, tensions between some historians and Church
leaders, the forged "Salamander" letter, and the other Mark Hofmann
forgeries and murders have provided grist for negative press and
television commentary. The political leverage of the Church and its
financial holdings have also been subjects of articles with a strong
negative orientation.
Apostle Oaks " When we say anything bad about
the leaders of the Church, whether true or false, we tend
to impair their influence and their usefulness and are thus
working against the Lord and his cause. In Conference
Report, Apr. 1947, p. 24." Address to Church Educational System
teachers, Aug. 16, 1985.
So if you speak Truth and it is against the leaders of the
church, it is "working against the Lord"?
Apostle Oaks "Thus, if Mormon Enigma
reveals information that is detrimental to the reputation of Joseph
Smith, then it is necessary to try to limit its influence and that of
its authors."
In what ways do you think Apostle oaks would LIMIT the
influence of the Author?
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DAVEH:
Here are two recent ones.......
Then why is everyone
witha criticism of the church an
"ANTI"
.............and the other is when you
implied that I believe Jesus is
not the
Creator
.........Both the above comments are in
error, and I've asked you to acknowledge such. For some
strange reason, you seem to be reluctant to admit your error.
That makes me wonder why you would want to continue promulgating
these lies. Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that you were
wrong? Or....do you sincerely believe you are right in
both assertions? If so, then I am somewhat amazed that
you would stare truth in the face and deny it.
Kevin Deegan
wrote:
spreading false information is sullying their
reputation more than it
is promoting their message..
I have asked for examples of misleading before, you failed
to provide them. Your false allegations continue.
Go ahead list all these falsehoods. Or stop
lying.
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Kevin
Deegan wrote:
Yes I have missionaries stop to talk or say hello all
over the US.
They say "hey remember me" stuff like that.
Some I see every GC, every pag.
There is no misapprehension of where I stand they
understand it clearly, that it does not mean we are
enemies!
DAVEH: I'm happy to hear that,
Kevin. I'd like to think you aren't spoiling for a
fight.
Am I become your enemy because I tell
you the Truth?
DAVEH: I
don't view you as an enemy of mine, Kevin, despite your attempt
to foster falsehoods about what I believe.
