No, but I am quickly becoming a Davophobe!
I do not have to accept labels that do not describe me accurately. Besides,
just because mormons coin a word that is a misnomer does not give it any
authority in the language. Just like 'gentile'. You would consider me a
gentile, but not yourself. Hogwash. You are as much a gentile as any
non-jew. Mormons have redefined that word. Coincidentally, no one in the
world accepts that definition for gentile except the misinformed.
They have redefined MANY words to fit their own intent. That does not give
ANY of those meanings any authority in the language. Call me what you want,
Dave. But calling me anti-mormon now that you know that I am not against
mormons wil be considered an ad-hom attack from you.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [TruthTalk] Is Perry an Anti-Mormon?
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:43:44 -0700
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
Here is the Google definition you sent.
"Anti-Mormonism is an overt opposition to Mormonism, often specifically
to Mormonism's largest and most prominent sect, The Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints ("LDS Church"; see also Mormon). *Anti-Mormon
activities range from reasoned arguments (often references to Archeology
or the Bible) to scathing expos s and public protests" *
Read the first sentence. This is what I have been saying all along.
"Anti-Mormonism is an overt opposition to Mormonism".
DAVEH: I've never disputed that, Perry.
"Anti-mormon" is a misnomer when applied to me. Now, if I was against,
or hated, or wished ill upon MORMONS, then I would consider myself
anti-mormon, but I am not, and I do not have to accept that label if it
does not appliy to me.
DAVEH: Apparently you did not read the second half of the definition,
Perry.......
*Anti-Mormon activities range from reasoned arguments (often references to
Archeology or the Bible) to scathing expos s and public protests" *
.......Seems to me that you meet that definition, Perry. Do you disagree?
Example: Do you agree with the homosexual lifestyle? That it is
wholesome and acceptable? If not, you may be a HOMOPHOBE! Do you fear
homosexuality? Probably not, even though you may not agree with the
lifestyle. A Phobia ia an irrational fear of something, in this case
homosexuals. You see, it is a misnomer.
DAVEH: Anti-Mormon as defined by LDS folks is not a misnomer when applied
to you. It accurately describes what you are in our eyes, and by our
definition. You simply meet the definition of anti-Mormon as LDS folks
have coined it. Would you like me to provide you more definitions to
support the ones I've already posted?
It's purpose is to cast those that disagree with that lifestyle into a
castigated group. I do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle, but I am
not a homophobe any more than I am an anti-mormon. I am anti-mormonism,
not anti-mormon.
Do you understand the difference? Do you use the word "homophobe" to
label those who do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle? Are you a
homophobe? Don't accept labels that mis-represent your beliefs, David.
You can continue to call me anti-mormon if you wish, but you are
labeling me incorrectly when you do so.
DAVEH: That is simply nonsense, Perry. I've given you the definition.
Why do you persist in trying to change the definition? Are you a
mormo-phobe? :-)
If you do so, I will know it is intentionally to antagonize me with a
lebel that does not apply.
DAVEH: Your refusal to acknowledge an accurate definition is very
interesting. FTR....I am not trying to intentionally antagonize you, and
the label does apply. If anything, I'm trying to keep you from self
deceiving yourself.
But, if you want to say I am anti-mormonism, then you will be accurate.
What is it to you to put 3 letters at the end to make it "ism"?
DAVEH: LDS folks have been using the anti-Mormon terms for a very long
time (well before you were born). Interestingly, I don't remember much
(if anything) ever being said in the past by LDS folks using the term
anti-Mormonism. I don't think it is normally used by LDS folks, as far as
I can recall. So...to be accurate, again from an LDS standpoint, you meet
our definition of anti-Mormon.
Is is the difference between trying to antagonize the sutuation v. being
accurate. You choose.
DAVEH: I'm sorry if you feel the truth antagonizes you, Perry. I am also
sorry you feel I am trying to antagonize you by staying true to the
definition of anti-Mormon. I think I've tried to maintain an amicable and
respectable relationship with you....a guy who has previously described me
as a *sly ol' mormon boy*, have you not? If anything was said in an effort
to inflame, I would think that qualifies. Yet I am not complaining, Perry.
I recognize that is the way you perceive me, and if that is what you
truly believe....that is your prerogative. But if you think I use the term
to describe you is inflammatory, you are wrong. It is a term that
accurately describes you.
Even if we were to use your definition of anti-Mormon.....would not
your use of *sly ol' mormon boy *pretty well convince anybody following
this discussion that you accurately qualify as an an anti-Mormon as
*you*'ve defined it? If so, why are you so critical of me recognizing you
as you portray yourself?
And yes, you did tell me that mormons coined the term "anti-mormon" for
those that are against mormonism. That is no different than the
homosexuals coining the term "homophobe" to describe those that disagree
with their lifestyle. It's purpose is not to be accurate...it is to
inflame (so to speak).
DAVEH: Once again, I respectfully disagree with your conclusion, Perry.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:32:34 -0700
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
And who defined "anti-mormon" to mean "anti-mormonsim"? You said the
mormons did.
DAVEH: I did??? Are you sure about that, Perry? I don't recall saying
such, but it is pretty synonymous, IMO. Have you ever googled *DEFINE
ANTI-MORMON*?
<http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3AAnti-Mormon&btnG=Search&hl=en&lr=&biw=>
That is no different than any other word they have redefined for their
own purposes.
DAVEH: From the google definition, it appears you are the one trying to
redefine it, Perry. Why does it bother you that as an anti-Mormonism, you
also meet the definition of anti-Mormon???
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:43:35 -0700
*
This is the problem with the dual meanings that mormons assign to
words...they don't mean what they used to mean. So, we can talk all day
with them about soiritual matters and we think that they are in
agreement with us, when really the words mean something different to
them. Like the Queen of Hearts said, "When I use a word it means
exactly what I want it to mean!" *
DAVEH: I have chatted with DavidM enough to know what he believes (or
should I say doesn't believe) about the pre-mortal existence of our
spirits, just as he explained to you in a parallel post today Perry.
But I do find it amusing that you continue to criticize Mormons for
having dual meanings when you do the same thing with the term
*anti-Mormon.*
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
> DAVEH wrote:
> May I presume you believe free agency existed in the pre-mortal
existence?
DavidM responded: Yes.
Perry cautioned:
David, be careful here. When a mormon says "pre-mortal existence" I
believe they mean a little more than you may know. To the mormon I
believe that to say "pre-mortal existence" refers to the existence of
jesus, satan, you, me, and all other humans in a pre-mortal spiritual
state as spiritual siblings, whereas, I believe that you may think of
the premortal state as being prior to the time Adam was created.
Essentially, you just agreed with the *sly ol' mormon boy *that prior
to your being born into a body (pre-mortal state), you believe you had
free agency, along with satan, jesus, and all of your myriad spiritual
siblings. Is that what you believe?
*
This is the problem with the dual meanings that mormons assign to
words...they don't mean what they used to mean. So, we can talk all
day with them about soiritual matters and we think that they are in
agreement with us, when really the words mean something different to
them. Like the Queen of Hearts said, "When I use a word it means
exactly what I want it to mean!" *
Perry
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