"...we can disagree without quarrelling, remembering Chesterton's observation that the problem with a quarrel is that it spoils an argument. And, as in all such disagreements, we do well to keep in mind the rule of Richard Baxter (famously reiterated by John XXIII), 'In necessary things, unity; in doubtful things, liberty; in all things, charity." To which one need only add this necessary thing: all our puzzling, disputing, and speculating must finally give way to the most pure act of faith, which is doxology. So it was with St. Paul [...] at the end of Romans 11, and so it must be with us. At the end of all our trying to understand, we join in declaring:
 
'For God has consigned all to disobedience, that He may have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! "For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counsellor?" "Or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid?" For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.'"  --Tim Perry
 
Debbie
 
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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A apologetic for the eternal sonship of Chr JD

Thank you for your response.  Obviously, we are miles apart on this and the distance seems to be increasing.  I believe, however, that God can work through either understanding    That is not to say that there is more than one truth on a subject.   Rather,  it is to declare our God as sovereign in essence, power and influence.   I guess this comes down to what Debbie has been discussing with DAveH.   Is God bigger than our perceptions of Him and His doctrine?  
 
JD
 
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From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:40:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A apologetic for the eternal sonship of Chr JD

John wrote:
> I have been working on this since 6:00 am
> and it is nearly 3:00 !!   Yikes !!!!.

LOL.  Studying is fun, isn't it!

Nice piece, John.  I don't think I disagreed with much of anything in it.  I 
just think it argued more for the Divinity of Christ rather than the idea of 
eternal sonship.

Both you and Bill seem to hammer two ideas in discussing this topic:

1)  Jesus is the eternal God

2) Jesus has a relationship in the Godhead best understood by us as a Father 
/ Son relationship.

I do not disagree with either of these concepts.  Rather, I affirm them both 
as being true.  My primary concern with this subject has to do with how we 
interpret Scripture.  What does the Scripture mean when it says, "this day I 
have begotten you."  The Holy Ghost has a specific message here.  In the 
earlier discussion, I was not too sure about it, but as the discussion 
progressed, I think Judy made her case very well.  Adam Clark also makes 
some good points about it.  The Biblical passage is referring to his 
incarnation when he became son of man, son of David, son of God.

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 


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