Let’s make that “unrepentant”
adulterer. Do I have so spell it out? Izzy
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Let's see--did King David also write the BoM (the sci-fi
novel which has deceived millions?) Or perhaps he did that and repented of
it as well? (Unlike JSmith who never repented of either.) Izzy
According to your criterion, Izzy, what difference should it
make: "I believe the fact that he was an adulterer totally discredits
his credentials as a prophet of god"?
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> Let's see--did King David also write the BoM (the
sci-fi novel which has
> deceived millions?) Or perhaps he did that and repented of it as well?
> (Unlike JSmith who never repented of either.) Izzy
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Izzy wrote > Perry, how does that relate to JSmith and the
mormons? I
> believe the fact that he was an adulterer totally discredits his
credentials
> as a prophet of god.
>
>
>
> How then were King David's credentials any better? Ought he be
disqualified
> by the same criterion?
>
> Bill
>
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> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:42 PM
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>
> > I believe the fact
> > that he was an adulterer totally discredits his credentials as a
prophet
> of
> > god. Izzy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry
> Locke
> > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:03 AM
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>
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant **
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > In TT we are trying to prevent discussions from becoming
emotional in
> > nature because of demeaning and hurtful statements, so it applies
directly
> > to the persons with whom we are immeditaly engaging in debate.
> >
> > However, from a debating point of view if one
chooses to bring in
> > arguments made by another, say Calvin, those arguments, too, should
have
> to
> > stand on the facts of Calvin's argument, not on personal attacks on
> Calvin.
> >
> > Perry
> >
> > >From: "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [email protected]
>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant **
> > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:29:28 -0600
> > >
> > >Hi Perry, I am impressed by your sincerity and humility. Thanks
for the
> > >great example to the rest of us.
> > >
> > >I have a question for you. You write that "Specifically, 'ad
hominem
> > >argumentum', [which is what is mentioned on the TT discussions
guidelines
> > >page] refers to trying to gain an edge in an argument by
attacking the
> > >person rather than the topic, again, regardless whether it is
true or
> > >false.' Does this apply only to the one with whom one is arguing,
or does
> > >it
> > >apply as well to attacks against the person of persons whom one
might
> > >reference in constructing ones arguments. For example, a
dismissal of
> John
> > >Calvin's views on election via an attack against him as a person,
i.e.,
> his
> > >dealings with Servatis; or a dismissal of the content and
substance of
> the
> > >Nicene Creed because it was formulated by supposedly corrupt
Roman
> > >Catholics -- are these ad hominem arguments acceptable forms of
> > >argumentation on TruthTalk?
> > >
> > >Bill
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: <[email protected]>
> > >Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:03 AM
> > >Subject: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant **
> > >
> > >
> > > > TT members,
> > > >
> > > > I have been contacted by email privately
and informed that my
> > >referring
> > > > to DaveH as a "sly ol' mormon boy" was an ad
hominem reference. After
> > >some
> > > > discussion back and forth, and some research, I am
convinced that it
> is
> > >so
> > > > and that I need to apologize to Dave.
> > > >
> > > > I previously thought that if one merely
stated a belief about
> someone
> > > > that was true, that it was not an ad hominem statement, but
upon doing
> a
> > > > little researh I discovered that it does not matter whether
it is true
> > >or
> > > > not...an ad hominem reference is a comment "to the
man", so saying
> > >anything
> > > > about anyone personally, whether true or not, positive or
negative, is
> > >an
> > >ad
> > > > hominem reference. If I were to say, "John, I really
think you are a
> > >smart
> > > > guy", that is an ad hominem reference, too, because it
is directed at
> > > > someone personally.
> > > >
> > > > However, on TT I think it is a
little more specific in that TT
> > >wishes
> > >to
> > > > avoid the NEGATIVE ad hominem reference, that is, one that
the
> receiver
> > >of
> > > > the comment would find insulting. Dave indicated in a post
that he
> > >thought
> > > > "sly ol' mormon boy" was an ad hominem reference.
> > > >
> > > > So, with this in mind, Dave, I apologize
to you for making an
> > >ad-hominem
> > > > reference.
> > > >
> > > > The above is a very general
interpretation of "ad hominem".
> > >Specifically,
> > > > "ad hominem argumentum", [which is what is mentioned
on the TT
> > >discussions
> > > > guidelines page] refers to trying to gain an edge in
an argument by
> > > > attacking the person rather than the topic, again,
regardless whether
> it
> > >is
> > > > true or false.
> > > >
> > > > Even though I am acting as moderator, I,
too, am prone to making
> > > > inappropriate remarks at times, and I welcome private email
from
> anyone
> > >that
> > > > would like to point out such comments. If we have only one
watcher,
> who
> > > > watches the watcher? While I moderate the group, the group
moderates
> me.
> > > >
> > > > Perry the Moderator
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----------
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salt, that you
> may
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