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Jt refers to 'Einstein (as) the unbeliever'. He was not an
unbeliever. Nobody is an 'unbeliever'.
If Jesus remains a stumbling stone and/or a rock of
offense then he is an unbeliever who is not grafted in to the
tree
Einstein spoke of God but everyone speaks of some
kind of a god.
IFF you are not a dualist then he (Einstein) showed you
nothing. IFF you are then, he did.
Einstein is dealing with a whole
other dimension Lance. The sciences are something that can be observed, they
are natural.
Should we (those on TT who are interested) actually
arrive at a 'unified' (pun intended) understanding of dualism then we shall
see whether or not it (being/not being a dualist) matters.
I personally don't believe this can happen so long as
so many of you are so closed to the spiritual.
I'll 'show my cards' in advance here by saying that IMO
& in general (a qualification from the last time I said something similar
to this) believers will not be moved from the positions they currently hold on
almost anything. Now, as to why this is so, well, that's an important matter
for another day.
You may speak for yourself and yourself only Lance;
some of us are in the process of being delivered from the vain traditions
received from the fathers; it may not happen overnight but it is happening as
we speak. If you had known me 20yrs ago you would agree.
I'm interested in Christines outline but I'm not
sure that it is for the same reasons as you
and Lance. What she has shared already is
actively walking after the Spirit which permeates
every part of our daily lives" which is life to
me.
OTOH your mentor TFT puts forth a whole other
view ie:
"Albert Einstein showed us in the advance of our
science the damaging dualist fallacy which has
affected so much modern thought especially in the
psychological and sociological sciences is
being steadily rejected for a more holistic
approach. Thus a nondualist unitary conception of human
being is being reached supporting the
Jewish-Christian understanding of human being as embodied
soul and ensouled body."
Which isn't even in the same ballpark theology,
psychology and sociology = science?
Albert Einstein the unbeliever showing the
"damaging dualist fallacy"?
Yes, indeed. And, Christine -- do present
your thoughts o n "dualism" and "duality"
(a previous request from Lance).
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]Would
you be so kind as to share the outline with us. It is of
genuine
interest to me. I believe that Bill, Debbie and, John would
also appreciate
your observations of this.
From: "Christine
Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
Hello, Judy, Thank you. Yes, I enjoyed my vacation
> very much.
:-)
>
> I was fascinated to see dualism being discussed on
TT:
> I'm teaching on it this Wednesday night to the youth
>
group at church.
>
>
> Blessings
>
> ---
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > Amen!
> > Bless you Christine - You
pop up again just when we
> > need you most :)
> >
I was wondering where you had gone - hope you
> > enjoyed your
holiday. jt
> >
> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:50:33
-0700 (PDT) Christine
> > Miller
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> > > Lance wrote:
> > > > Should you
and your grandchild go out today for
> > an
> > >
> ice cream cone, would your enjoyment of this be
> > >
> spiritual/carnal?
> > >
> > > I think what
Judy is talking about is a sort of
> > faith
> > >
that permeates into all aspects of our life. In
> > Luke
3
> > > John the Baptist talks about this:
> >
>
> > > Luk 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that
came
> > forth
> > > to be baptized of him, O
generation of vipers, who
> > > hath warned you to flee from
the wrath to come?
> > > Luk 3:8 Bring forth therefore
fruits worthy of
> > > repentance, and begin not to say
within
> > yourselves, We
> > > have Abraham to our
father: for I say unto you,
> > That
> > > God is
able of these stones to raise up children
> > unto
> >
> Abraham.
> > > Luk 3:9 And now also the axe is laid
unto the
> > root of
> > > the trees: every tree
therefore which bringeth not
> > > forth good fruit is hewn
down, and cast into the
> > fire.
> > >
> >
> Luk 3:10 And the people asked him, saying, What
> >
shall
> > > we do then?
> > > Luk 3:11 He
answereth and saith unto them, He
> > that
> > > hath
two coats, let him impart to him that hath
> > none;
> >
> and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.
> > > Luk
3:12 Then came also publicans to be baptized,
> >
and
> > > said unto him, Master, what shall we do?
>
> > Luk 3:13 And he said unto them, Exact no more
> >
than
> > > that which is appointed you.
> > > Luk
3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of
> > him,
>
> > saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto
> >
them,
> > > Do violence to no man, neither accuse any
falsely;
> > and
> > > be content with your
wages.
> > >
> > > He told the tax collectors not
to overcharge, and
> > the
> > > soldiers to be
content with their wages. These are
> > > pretty non-religious
events. If there were
> > > grandparents there, I would
imagine he would tell
> > them
> > > to take their
grandchildren for ice cream cones
> > and to
> > >
teach them how to give thanks for their meal.
> > >
>
> > Do you see how bringing Jesus to the ice cream
> >
parlor
> > > with you is what it means to be a true follower
of
> > > Christ? John was telling the multitudes there
not
> > to
> > > separate their baptism with their
everyday lives.
> > > Equally, we bring God into otherwise
unspiritual
> > > places, and those around will say, "Surely
God is
> > in
> > > this place, and I knew it not,"
as Jacob said
> > after
> > > awaking from his dream
in Gen. 28. You'll notice
> > that
> > > Jacob laid
his head in a "certain place," which is
> > to
> > >
say, in any old place. This incident seems to
> > speak
to
> > > the very heart of dualism, and points out that
our
> > God
> > > is not a God of dualism. You will
find and worship
> > Him
> > > in all places.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Blessings!
> >
>
> > > Christine
> > >
> >
>
> > >
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