Lance, I am afraid I had a lot of trouble understanding a single sentence in that last post.
When you say DMC do you mean 'David Miller's family?' Lance wrote: > As to paragraph #2, surprise me by telling me that > you could one day be head > of the DMC (David Miller Church). Are you trying to say my views of womanly submission are comparable to the Catholic views of laity submission? I do function in a leadership position in church. I preached last Wednesday night to the youth group, I also help teach the College&Career Sunday School class. Other women in the church lead worship. As a woman, I am not told to sit down and shut up as the laity class are told in the RCC. In order to teach, or even speak for the RCC, you must leave the laity class behind. I say that no such class exists in the Body of Christ, and that its existance hurts a believer's walk. "Should I one day convert to Catholism"?! That's like saying should I one day blashpheme the Holy Spirit. I am really disturbed by such a thought. You know, Lance, you are leading me to believe I may have the wrong attitude about Cathocism. Perhaps Catholics should be rebuked as a feminist. I may be taking them too lightly. What say you, Izzy? I know you have a lot of experience with Catholism. Kevin? Blessings --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As to paragraph #1, why wouldn't it apply equally to > the DMC (David Miller > Church). Ahhh Lance, you overstate the case, do you > not? Well, thanks for > asking but, no I do not! It's that 'little leaven' > thingy. > > As to paragraph #2, surprise me by telling me that > you could one day be head > of the DMC (David Miller Church). (Female/Male > thingy)-comparing this to the > clergy/laity distinction. As Forest Gump said 'bad > doctrine is as bad > doctrine does'. I know of at least two prime > examples in the DMC. > > And Christine, should you one day convert to > Catholicism, I have every > confidence that, just like Scott Hahn, it'll be the > 'rising tide' thingy. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > Sent: July 07, 2005 14:54 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers are ONE IN > CHRIST > > > > I do believe there are believers in the Catholic > > Church, but I do not believe this speaks to the > > church's credit. It always seemed to me that the > > Spirit chose to dwell in some Catholic individuals > IN > > SPITE of the RCC. > > > > My roommate last year was Catholic, and I believe > she > > is my sister in Christ. She loves Jesus with the > > tender heart of the apostle John, and has the > > discernment to know what is righteous in this > world > > and what is ungodly. But I can see how the RCC has > > served to hinder her growth in the Lord. Their > > clergy/laity lines are devastating to one's faith, > > besides the bad doctrine and praying to Mary > stuff. > > > > But, Debbie, I appriciate your stance on this. > I've > > had to learn a lot about communicating with > Catholics. > > On one hand, I do believe they are a member of a > false > > religion, but on the other hand, I'm not sure they > > should be rebuked as a homosexual or feminist > should > > be rebuked. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > --- Debbie Sawczak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The same way you recognize it in any other > > > Christian. Of course, Kevin, if you really are > > > certain that there is not a single believer in > the > > > Catholic church, then I suppose the Spirit of > God is > > > not there, at least not in the way I'm talking > > > about. > > > > > > Debbie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Kevin Deegan > > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:48 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers are ONE > IN > > > CHRIST > > > > > > > > > How does this spirit manifest itself? > > > How can I know that it is the Spirit of God? > > > > > > Debbie Sawczak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, for one thing, he is present in > individual > > > Catholic believers. > > > > > > Debbie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Kevin Deegan > > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:57 AM > > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers are > ONE > > > IN CHRIST > > > > > > > > > Can you tell us in what ways the spirit is > > > present? > > > > > > Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > NO CHURCH, NOT EVEN A HOUSE CHURCH, > > > DAVID/IZ, CAN AVOID TRADITIONS LIKE THE PLAGUE. > > > Where the two of you meet to worship, teach, > learn > > > etc. is replete with tradition. If it is not > today > > > then, it will be tomorrow or the day after > tomorrow. > > > > > > I say again that the Spirit of God is > very > > > much present within the RCC. The Spirit is also > > > present at the Vatican. > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > > From: ShieldsFamily > > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > > Sent: July 06, 2005 17:58 > > > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] All believers > are > > > ONE IN CHRIST > > > > > > > > > The "baggage" is all RCC, my dear. > > > Definitely there are traditions which overrule > > > scripture in other churches as well, though not > as > > > many or piled as deep. The consequence being > that > > > I'm total non-denominational. Our church avoids > > > "traditions" like the proverbial "plague". If > it > > > starts feeling like something "we've always done > > > that way" we change it! I'm actually not > against > > > traditions, which can be good at times. I only > > > object to traditions that become false doctrine > by > > > contradicting clear scriptural teaching. iz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > > Of Debbie Sawczak > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 3:35 PM > > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers > are > > > ONE IN CHRIST > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, my dear, you have just > > > confirmed all the baggage I said you were > attaching > > > to the word, and have also (at the very end) > > > answered my question with what can be pretty > easily > > > construed as a NO. > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, I have had a completely different > > > experience of the Catholic church, its tradition > and > > > liturgy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think there are any > "traditions" > > > (in your sense) or idols or other clutter > obscuring > > > the view in our Bible-believing > > > churches/congregations? Do you think there might > be > > > some you aren't aware of? What will be the > > > consequence? Not a rhetorical or loaded > question, I > > > ask sincerely. > > > > > > > > > > > > Debbie > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
