Lance wrote: > What do you think of > story as a vehicle for the communication of truth?
Lance, Jesus was fufilling prophecy when He spoke in parables: Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. ... Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. I am not saying I think stories are useless for communication, but I would say it would be faulty to use Jesus' use of parables as evidence for doing so. Jesus' use of stories made the Spirit an important participant in His speaking. He was speaking symbolically of spiritual things, forcing the listener to rely on the Spirit for their understanding. It looks like I'm jumping in late, but would you mind defining your use of the word "stories" here, Lance/Judy? I notice you mention Lord of the Rings below. Are we exploring the potential witnessing power of these "morally ingonito" storylines? What a juicy topic, if I do say so myself. :-) Judy wrote: > I told you what Jesus said about His own parables > Lance I have a feeling I'm probably repeating a former post of yours, Judy. But I am not weary and it sounds like maybe Lance could benefit from hearing it again. :-) Eh, Lance? Blessings --- Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I told you what Jesus said about His own parables > Lance; I didn't think I > could improve on that. > Actually I am not into "storytelling" because my > belief is that Jesus and > His Word are reality. Myth is what > gets passed on from generation to generation around > campfires. jt > > On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:57:11 -0400 "Lance Muir" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > Or, more accurately in your case, who knows what he > says also? Did you > tell me what you made of Jesus' stories (parables)? > What do you think of > story as a vehicle for the communication of truth? > > > From: Judy Taylor > > Judyt did not say any such thing Lance - this is > either your "cultural > or common understanding" or else it is > a Canadian type joke. Either way it's a figment of > your imagination. > > On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:57:14 -0400 "Lance Muir" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > Jt, surprisingly says that the parables are no > different (than the Lord > of the Rings). Now, there's a step forward. > Jt as for an explanation of the expression 'out of > hand'. Rather than > that just let me say that you might consider not > adopting a 'Jesus vs the > Pharisees' stance when speaking of him, others, > Nicea, Church Fathers, > theology per se and the like. As Judy Taylor says: > 'stick to the > Scriptures'! You little to nothing of the foregoing > so, why not just > give 'em a pass when you see 'wm? > > Jesus vs the pharisees is not my stance toward > Torrance After all the > pharisees did sit in the seat of Moses and > Jesus said to do what they said - however they were > hypocrites so noone > was to follow their example - As for > Torrance I don't receive what he says - and who > knows what he does. jt. > > > From: Judy Taylor > On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:21:12 -0400 "Lance Muir" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > Well, sort of like LOR, Judy. Good observation. But, > Jesus' parables > (stories) certainly come closer. > What is your understanding of the parables, Judy? > > The parables are no different, they are given to > illustrate spiritual > realities to which common understanding is blind. > When the disciples question Jesus about why he spake > in parables he said > nothing about "common understanding" > In fact he used them as a type of judgment ie > "Because it is given unto > you (disciples) to know the mysteries of the > kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For > whosoever hath to him > shall be given and he shall have more > abundance but whosoever hath not, from him shall be > taken away even that > he hath. Therefore speak I to them in > parables because they seeing see not and hearing > they hear not, neither > do they understand.... (Matt 13:10-17) > > As an aside, Judy. Feel free not to pursue the > 'content of TFT'. Just > make an attemp not to critique him out of hand in > the future, > please? > > What do you mean by "out of hand?" > From: Judy Taylor > Lance Muir wrote: > Each living person draws upon two quite distinct > sources of meaning. The > current 'vulgate' or common understanding. This is > that which enables us > to communicate with one another. Hidden beneath this > is a 'private > thesaurus'. What any two people mean when they speak > or hear will overlap > only to a certain extent by virtue of their sharing > the 'vulgate' of a > particular human group. > > The above is myth. No person ever receives > revelation from God through > "cultural or common vulgate/understanding" and the > Bible is a closed book > to those who possess that alone. > > No reader comes to a text as a 'cultural virgin'. > Our readings are > affected at the outset by pre-understanding and > private thesaurus.The > meaning which we retrieve from a text will never be > absolutely identical > with the meaning which it had for its author or, for > any other reader. > > Thoughts of a "natural man" Lance. Doesn't matter > how many cultures one > understands the issue is natural vs spiritual when > it comes to > understanding God's Word. One is life the other is > death. Oh and BTW > this is not just a "story" it is life vs death. > > Meaning is something which 'happens' when we read > the text and which is > like the knowledge of the Lord in which the Psalmist > rejoiced, new every > morning. This is not a transparent text through > which we view something > else. It is like a stained glass window depicting a > story. It is 'the > story we find ourselves in'. > > Sure Lance, it's just like Lord of the Rings.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
