-----Original Message-----
From: Christine Miller <verilysaid@yahoo.com>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:53:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]Re: John 16:13-14
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Does this mean that only the disciples may preach the gospel and baptize for the salvation of the lost?
Christine, do you believe that context must play a critical role in understanding the biblical message? I do. In fact,
I actually have a set of interpretative rules that I use in
my studies. I think it helps. But to answer your question;
the only disciples who were charged to go into all the world
were the apostles -- and they did just that!! Our "Great
Commission" is found in II Cor 5 (the entire chapter).Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Don't we see people lay hands and heal the sick today? Wouldn't this seem to indicate that those 11 disciples are not privy to the working of the Holy Ghost in their lives, but all who believe are meant to be used by the Holy Spirit?
Did you hear me saying that I do not believe that we
are used by the Holy Spirit? Certainly not my intent.
How many have you seen drinking poison and doing the
thing with snakes? Look Christine -- what does
your question above have to do with the rule of context?
Do you think every verse in the Bible that contains a
command applies to us today?
Blessings --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello, Christine. John 16:13-14 does not apply to > the general Christian population -- that is a > position I affirm and your farther apparently > denies. I defend my point by appealing to the > actual context of John 16 -- noting the fact that > Christ is speaking to his disciple (especially the > 12) and to no one else in that passage. Your > father goes out of this passage and appeals to Acts > 2:38-39. I believe that Acts 2:38-39 applies to us > today and John 16 to the disciples who knew Him > from the beginning (John 15:27). Our discussion > also applies to Mark 16: 15-18. > > JD > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sinless Perfection.htm > > > Hi JD, how is my father's post out of context? I > would > be interested to hear you thoughts on this. > > > Blessings! > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Like I said David -- you are way out of context > > here and you know it. Shall I take time to > > prove the contextual point of John 16 and Mark 16? > > > I can and will be happy to do so. > > > > JD > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:20:06 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sinless Perfection.htm > > > > > > John wrote: > > > No -- somebody forgot to tell you. Because > > > you have no resepct for "context" in this case > is > > > of no matter to me. But context is very > > important. > > > Without it, we have the fantasy that accompanies > > > snake handling and ex-cathedra spiritual > > pronouncements > > > brought, forever, into modern times. > > > > Sorry, John, but you are not going to sneak by > with > > the lame "out of > > context" argument. > > > > The point is that the Holy Ghost continues to > > operate this way whether you > > recognize it or not. You are free to testify to > us > > that the Holy Spirit > > does not operate in your life the way it is > promised > > in John 16:13, but you > > cannot testify to others that he does not operate > in > > the lives of anybody > > else like that. > > > > Jesus gave promises about the Holy Spirit and how > he > > would operate in the > > lives of believers. Peter made it very clear that > > this promise was not > > restricted to just the eleven apostles at that > > moment in time. > > > > Acts 2:38-39 > > "Then Peter said unto them ... ye shall receive > the > > gift of the Holy Ghost. > > For the promise is unto you, and to your children, > > and to all that are afar > > off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." > > > > Peace be with you. > > David Miller. > > > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned > with > > salt, that you may know how > > you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this > list, > > send an email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be > > unsubscribed. If you have a friend > > who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > > he will be subscribed. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with > salt, that you may know how > you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, > send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be > unsubscribed. If you have a friend > who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > he will be subscribed. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
