David Miller wrote:
>> I rest my case, John.  My assumption was
>> correct.  I had not cast any aspersions toward
>> Bill.  Bill is quite knowledgeable, but he does
>> not pretend to understand the intended meaning
>> of these passages as well as Jesus does.

John wrote:
> And that, dear sir, was not your point !!!!!!
> You often forget that I know how to read.

Your response here does not add to the discussion.  It is simply another ad 
hominem remark.

I sometimes do wonder if you are able to read.  You skipped over the PCA 
comment by Judy, and then railed at me for assuming that you would know that 
she attended a PCA church.  You completely miss more than 50% of the content 
of most my posts.  But now you have gotten this discussion off track again. 
Perhaps I should not even answer this post, but I'm going to try at least 
once more before giving up on you.

I had made the point in my previous post that should Jesus in the flesh 
mentor a newly born again person like Vladimir every day for two months on 
the passages mentioned, then he would have a better grasp of the intended 
meaning of the Holy Ghost than another person.  You had perceived correctly 
an unspoken assumption of mine that this other person had not already 
benefited from this very same instruction.  You said that I should give this 
other person more credit than this.  So, I asked this other person whether 
or not his present understanding would benefit if Jesus sat down with him. 
His answer was that Jesus would say something like, "Have we been together 
so long and you still do not understand?"  Therefore, he confirmed my 
original assumption.

You are right about this not being my original point, but you challenged my 
original point by questioning an assumption I made when I offered my own 
vote as to who might better understand.  Therefore, I examined the validity 
of my assumption and found that your criticism was without merit.

Now we can get back to the original point if you are interested.  Lance has 
expressed that he is not interested.  The original point concerns how the 
Holy Spirit reveals truth to us.  A stepping stone to that understanding is 
first establishing our perspective about the benefit of personal instruction 
from Jesus.  Another stepping stone is establishing whether or not maturity 
is necessary for understanding the intent of Scripture.  Also, must one 
apply himself to diligent study for years, perhaps at a university, in order 
to understand the intent of Scripture?  My answer, of course, is no.  God's 
purpose, in fact, is to confound the wisdom of the mighty.  Those who apply 
themselves to years of study are actually more likely to miss the intended 
meaning of Scritpure!  This statement may shock the educated on this list, 
but this is my perspective.  We may never be able to fully explore these 
questions because interest is lacking among the participants here.  Lance 
has asked to drop the subject, and so we will do unless someone else 
expresses and interest in pursuing it.  There is a whole lot more to be said 
on this subject, some very thrilling concepts of truth, but it is only for 
those who have ears to hear.

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 

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