Everyone but Jesus thought Judas was a follower of Christ Turns out the Bible says he was a Devil He just had a very good sheepskin.
Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after. --- Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Izzy, > > No, I was not implying that BT thinks Terry is not a Christian. I > was > trying to find out if you really take 1 Cor 13 to heart, and point > out that > if someone is indeed a Christian, but you do not think they are, that > you > may not take them at their word, in which case you would not be > taking 1 Cor > 13 to heart. > > The statement you made that prompted this inquiry is, "I do > believe that > I Cor 13 exhorts us to take a Believer at his word, does it not? How > else > would love behave?" > > This is important to me since there are some on TT who I think are > > Christians but you think are not Christians (and I am not talking > about the > Mormon boys). I was thinking that if they indeed are Christians, and > you > said it was possible that you could be wrong in your discernement, > that if > you do not take them at their word (which you often do not), that you > were > not taking 1 Cor 13 to heart. > > Perry > > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: <[email protected]> > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting > the > >Scriptures for li > >Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:00:48 -0500 > > > >I usually try to give anyone the benefit of a doubt or assume the > best of > >them, Christian or not, unless I have reason not to. So are you > implying > >that BT doesn't think Terry is a Christian? iz > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles > Perry Locke > >Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:51 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting > the > >Scriptures for li > > > >Izzy, > > > > If you believe one is not a Christian, then you are not > compelled to > >take > > > >him at his word, a la 1 Cor 13, right? > > > >Perry > > > > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [email protected] > > >To: <[email protected]> > > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On > reading/interpreting the > > >Scriptures for li > > >Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:57:01 -0500 > > > > > >Certainly. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles > Perry > >Locke > > >Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 7:45 PM > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On > reading/interpreting the > > >Scriptures for li > > > > > >Izzy, > > > > > > Can you be wrong in your discernment about who is a Christian > and who > > >is > > >not, perhaps believing one who is indeed a Chrisian to not be so? > > > > > >Perry > > > > > > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: [email protected] > > > >To: <[email protected]> > > > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On > reading/interpreting the > > > >Scriptures for li > > > >Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:48:09 -0500 > > > > > > > >I don't know of any reason to believe that Terry is not a > follower of > > > >Christ. Some folks claim to follow Christ but their fruit shows > > >otherwise, > > > >in which case Jesus said to judge by the fruit, not by the talk. > Some > > >folks > > > >on TT state they don't know what it means to be born again, some > claim > >to > > > >be > > > >followers of JSmith, etc. I choose to believe a person's > statement > >about > > > >him/herself unless they prove themselves to be speaking > >falsely--whether > > > >that is intentional or not. How about you, Perry? Do you > believe the > > > >mormons, for instance, when they claim to be true followers of > Jesus > > > >Christ? > > > >I don't because I know they can't follow JSmith and Jesus at the > same > > >time. > > > >izzy > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles > Perry > > >Locke > > > >Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 7:49 AM > > > >To: [email protected] > > > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On > reading/interpreting the > > > >Scriptures for li > > > > > > > >Izzy, how do you know who is a believer to decide if you should > take > >him > > >at > > > >his word? Some on this group say they are believers but you do > not > > >believe > > > >that they are. If they are believers, regardless of whether you > think > > >they > > > >are believers or not, aren't you breaking 1 Cor 13 if you do not > take > > >them > > > >at their word? > > > > > > > >Perry > > > > > > > > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Reply-To: [email protected] > > > > >To: <[email protected]> > > > > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On > reading/interpreting > >the > > > > >Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living) > > > > >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:21:03 -0500 > > > > > > > > > >I do believe that I Cor 13 exhorts us to take a Believer at > his word, > > > >does > > > > >it not? How else would love behave? iz > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill > Taylor > > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:55 AM > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On > reading/interpreting > >the > > > > >Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living) > > > > > > > > > >David wrote concerning Terry's comment: I found nothing > dishonest in > > >what > > > > >you wrote. ... There was definitely a problem in reading you. > > > > > > > > > >David, how do you presume to know this, other than in the say > way the > > > >rest > > > > >of us might? Terry's word will have to suffice, as far as I'm > > >concerned. > > > > >Are > > > > >you privy to something we're not? > > > > > > > > > >Bill > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: <[email protected]> > > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:37 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On > reading/interpreting > >the > > > > >Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terry wrote: > > > > > > > I make a simple statement that there is not enough > > > > > > > information to tell who would be the the most accurate > > > > > > > interpreter of scriptures or the most mature believer > > > > > > > between Bill, who I have never met, and a Russian, > > > > > > > who I have never heard of. That is hardly placing one > > > > > > > of you in Hell and the other outside the body of the > > > > > > > Church. If that comment is less than honest, explain > > > > > > > to me where I would have gotten the information needed > > > > > > > to reach the same conclusion as Lance. > > > > > > > > > > > > I found nothing dishonest in what you wrote, Terry. I was > amazed > > >that > > > > >your > > > > > > post was interpreted the way it was. There was definitely > a > >problem > > > >in > > > > > > reading you. > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention something in this post that is somewhat > interesting. > > >You > > > > > > mention both "accurate interpreter of scriptures" and "most > mature > > > > > > believer." Do you think these are related? Are more > mature > > >believers > > > > >more > > > > > > accurate interpreters of Scripture? My comments on this > thread > > > > >concerned > > > > > > only the ability to understand the intent of the Holy Ghost > in the > > > > >Scripture > > > > > > he inspired to be written. Perhaps part of the disconnect > in > > > > >communicating > > > > > > on this is that some connect the idea of "accuracy > interpreter of > > > > > > scriptures" and "maturity of believers" in a more definite > way. > > >That > > > > >was > > > > > > perhaps part of Lance's perspective, that one cannot > accurately > > > > >interpret > > > > > > Scripture without having time for maturity, regardless of > the > > > > >involvement > > > > >of > > > > > > the Holy Spirit. > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think? 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