Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:34:29 -0700

I do not think Gal 5:19 and the workings of the flesh have anything to do with what I am talking about.   But He was made like us in every respect  (again Heb. 2:17 is saying just this very thing).  Could He have sinned.   Absolutely.  I will say this and would appreciate others sounding off on what I am about to say:  the incarnate God in Christ had one thing going from Him that we do not have  --   a memory of what it was like before the worlds began  (John 17).    He had a memory  of  the actuality of angels  -   and the spiritual world or eternal world from whence He came.   We do not.   A big plus for the man Jesus, I think. 
 
JD 
 
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Use whatever translation you like.
Was Jesus born with a regular fleshly human nature as per Galatians 5:19 JD?
 
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:49:38 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OK  -- KJV it is -- He was made like us "in all things."  Same difference  -- precisely the same. 
For the record,  I never add to the biblical message  ----------------------------   never.
Jd 
 

From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You are the one who adds "in all respects" JD - I don't see this in scripture.
What I see is "likeness" which I read as physical likeness. IOW he had a body like ours.
There is a moral dimension to flesh - it is not body image only
When Job says "who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean" (Job 14:4) he is speaking of this moral dimension
or moral cleanness and purity.
This is the difference between us in the flesh and Christ's humanity.  He has always been clean and pure
As a race we never have been and this is what put him on the cross.
 
 
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:45:45 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy, why does not Heb 2:17 define "likeness" in your mind?  
He became like us in all respects is the message of 2:17.  Jd 
 

From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
 
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:44:39 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
IFF you are, in reality, mistaken concerning something so central as THE NATURE OF JESUS' HUMANITY (or David is) would that lead one to conclude that one of you is walking in the darkness (self confessed darkness, too)
 
jt: Tell me Lance why the nature of Jesus' humanity is so central?  If it is so central why did Paul waste so much of the Lord's time preaching the "centrality of the cross" rather than the centrality of Jesus' humanity?
 
Where Judy, is the Spirit Who leads YOU (or David) into all truth on a matter so central to the Gospel?
 
jt: Please tell me why Jesus humanity is so central for you?  I accept that He took upon himself the "likeness" of man but we must face the fact that he was ALWAYS holy and without spot and we are not.  Have you ever considered this Lance?  I mean really thought about it.
 
(I may just lurk for the outcome of this one) Will you confess, repent and enlighten all of those (family and friends) you've lead astray?
 
When God or someone with more than just an opinion shows me in His Word how and where I have been leading ppl astray.
 
How does one walking in self confessed confusion, darkness and death
represent light and peace?  Impossible. 
 
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 06:00:14 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> EVERY BELIEVER IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF GOD! Some do well while
> some.............
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> > Lance wrote:
> >> ... once you've cited it, e-sword or not, you
> >> are giving us an interpretation (read MEANING).
> >> I esteem Scripture as highly as y'all; I just happen
> >> to think that you often don't cite is with it's
> >> correct meaning.
> >
> > The d ifference between us is that we seek to understand God's
> meani ng.
> > You
> > don't seem to think that is possible.
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> > By the way, citing a passage is not necessarily the same thing as
> giving
> > you
> > an interpretation.  Also, if you differ on what the meaning is,
> and you
> > believe that you have the correct meaning, do like Jesus did and
> instruct
> > us
> > on its proper meaning.  If you misrepresent God on it, I'm sure
> you will
> > hear from the rest of us about it.  :-)
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> > Peace be with you.
> > David Miller.
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