If you want to identify with world, flesh, and devil
JD - OK but please don't include me. Also I am
redefining nothing
Nor am I qualifying anything; I allow
the Word of God to speak for itself. You may
use complicated and fuzzy theological
jargon all you like but this will not change the
reality which is that you need to reconcile these scriptures because
God is
not confused nor are His
Words contradictory. If not you will be spreading the
confusion. For a start the fullness of
the Godhead would not call the Father "greater" than
he now would
he? There is no greater than the fullness
of the Godhead bodily.. You need to reconcile John 14:28 - (these are the
words of Jesus) with Col 1:19 because all are truth
and all are inspired by the same Spirit.
Note: I'm curious - how does one verse by itself alone
become a monologue? jt
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:51:31 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have talked plenty about what we are saved from ----- OURSELVES.God is already at work in us to will and to do His good pleasure (Phil 2:13). Christ has ALREADY reconciled us to Himself (Col 1:19ff). The fact that this Colossian passage does not fit into your theology, written as it is, is no fault of mine. I refuse to change the basic wording of any passage to get it to fit into a theological construct. You use the phrase "in balance and context" to forecast the fact that you are going to redefine a given (problematic) passage by quoting other scripture rather than deal with those posted concerns that present the weakness of your position.. i.e. you completely ignore what I have written below. What we have here, is one monologue verses another monolgue.JD
From: Judith H Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
Judyt: Much as I hate to disagree with you and Terry I've got to on this one because it promotes the "incarnational" thing. Colossians 1:22 is the reality of the "risen Christ" John. It is not how he walked amongst Israel and reading scripture in balance and context would demonstrate this. Why would the "fullness of the Godhead bodily" say "My Father is greater than I?" Also IMO you carry this "representative" thing too far on the other end. We had no choice but to be born into the first Adam. We do have a choice as to whether or not we embrace the second and if we do not receive the Word of God embrace reality by agreeing with His assessment and obey Him - we will continue on in our wretchedness and His Kingdom will be alien to and unavailable to us because God's wrath continues to abide on us (John 3:36) We don't talk about what we have been saved from. Why not?On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:27:39 -0500 Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net> writes:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:===============================================================In my posted comment below, I say "God and man." He is the Son of God and, thus, God Himself (John 5:18). He is the Son of Man, thus, man(kind) himself. As Son of God, He is the fullness of the very nature of God, the visible presentation of the invisible God. As Son of Man, He is the prefect(ed) representative of man !! As a result, in Him, mankind, full of faith, escapes judgment (John 5:24 and Col 1:22, where the word translated "blameless" means "unaccused" or he who "cannot be called into account" - Thayer). PTL !!JD
You have said well.
Terry
