If the LDS Jesus needed to be "SAVED", from what did he need to be saved from?
Does this mean he was subject to Death because of sin?
The "gods" of Mormonism are limited & restricted in space:
As a Spirit personage the Holy Ghost has size and dimensions. He does not fill the immensity of space, and cannot be everywhere present in person at the same time. J Fielding Smith Doctrines of Salvation 1:38
"The Holy Ghost as a personage of Spirit can no more be omnipresent in person than the Father or the Son, but by his intelligence, his knowledge, his power and influence, over and through the laws of nature, he is and can be omnipresent throughout all the works of God" Joe F Smith Gospel Doctrine p 61
NOT SO the LIMITLESS God of the Bible!
The God of Mormonism comes FROM the Universe. The Universe did not come forth from this "God" as it is also eternal. He just organized his own planet.
"In contrast to the self-sufficient and solitary absolute who creates ex nihilo (out of nothing), the Mormon God did not bring into being the ultimate constituents of the cosmos neither its fundamental matter nor the space/time matrix which defines it. Hence, unlike the Necessary Being of classical theology who alone could not not exist and on which all else is contingent for existence, the personal God of Mormonism confronts uncreated realities which exist of metaphysical necessity. Such realities include inherently self-directing selves (intelligences), primordial elements (mass/energy), the natural laws which structure reality, and moral principles grounded in the intrinsic value of selves and the requirements for growth and happiness." Blake Ostler, "The Mormon Concept of God,"
God is OMNIPRESENT
Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
Psalms 139:7-10
Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
God is OMNIPOTENT
Isaiah 40:25-26 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.
God is OMNISCIENT
Jer 32:19 Great in counsel, and mighty in work: for thine eyes are open upon all the ways of the sons of men: to give every one according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings:
PS 147 "Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit"
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Bruce McConkie confesses that "Christ... is a saved being."
McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 257.
The official student manual,
Doctrines of the Gospel, teaches that "the plan of salvation which he [Elohim] designed was to save his children, Christ included; neither Christ nor Lucifer could of themselves save anyone." Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Doctrines of the Gospel, Student Manual Salt Lake City, UT: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint, 1986, p. 15.
The same manual also quotes the tenth president and prophet, Joseph Fielding Smith, on the subject:
The Savior did not have a fullness [of deity] at first, but after he received his body and the resurrection all power was given unto him both in heaven and in earth. Although he was a God, even the Son of God, with power and authority to create this earth and other earths, yet there were some things lacking in which he did not receive until after his resurrection. In other words, he had not received the fullness until he got a resurrected body. Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints, Doctrines of the Gospel, Student Manual Salt Lake City, UT: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint, 1986 pp. 9-10
Pres, Benson, "Jesus was a God in the pre-mortal existence," He was still imperfect and lacking certain necessary things.
Benson, Teachings, p. 6.
McConkie taught: "These laws [of salvation], instituted by the father, constitute the gospel of God, which gospel is the plan by which all of his spirit children, Christ included, may gain eternal life."
McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 2:215
"Jesus Christ is the Son of God
He came to earth to work out his own salvation."
McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:238
"by obedience and devotion to the truth he attained that pinnacle of intelligence which ranked him as a God."
McConkie, Mormon Doctrine
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