Just found this note from you, Perry. I don't know where it has been
for the last two days.
To answer your question, I do not consider all of John's comments to be
pitiful. What is pitiful is that Jesus says in so many words is that if
you do not obey, you are not one of His, and John says, in so many
worfs, Jesus is wrong. Obedience means nothing. Just have faith.
Satan knows that Jesus is the Savior, but Satan's disobedience has
eliminated him forever from Heaven. It is pitiful that John and many
other libs cannot see that simple truth.
Terry
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Terry, can you take comment on these points one by one and let me know
why you think each is pitiful. Thanks.
Perry
From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:22:24 -0500
Pitiful.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To argue that salvation is free but after the initial event, we must
obey to maintain this salvation is wrong on several levels:
1.. Such denies the unmeritorious gift of salvation by faith
through grace and THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES, it is the gift of God.
2. It does not allow for failure -- we must obey all of the law
(cf. #4)
3. It creates a system that is essentially the same as that of
the Mosaic Covenant. 4. The blood of Christ, which replaced the
continuing sacrifices of bulls and goats, is replaced by
by repeated confession of sins --- the disciple being
lost until confession is presented and
repentance is evidences. 5. It denies that obedience
extend from saving and vital faith -- demanding a soteriological
value be
attached to works, in and of themselves!!! 6. It
pronounces that what God could not do for man, man must do for
himself !!
7. It denies the need for the exchange of faith for
righteousness (Rom 4). JD
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From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:05:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Specifically (if you know), what is the point here? Who denies
that we are blessed in following the advice of the Lord? Where,
pray tell, is it said that we are not saved until and unless we
accomplish this task? Where are those words? (Hint - they are
not there). JD
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They may not be there in the words you have chosen to use, John, but
they are there.
"Why do you call me Lord, Lord, and do not the things that I tell you?"
Hint: Faith saves, but fruit is the proof of salvation. You
produce fruit by doing as you are told by your Lord.. That is why He
is called Lord. He is the guy in charge. We are His slaves. He
orders, we obey.
Put another way, if you do not do as He says, you are not His. It
is important to understand that.
Terry
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