RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

[Kevin Deegan]

I would read it if it was understandable. We need a Translator, I think we have one on TT.

ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It only makes sense to those in the right Klingon time travel wave length, Kevin.  That's why I don't even bother to read the stuff. izzy

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:44 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Do you have a secret decoder ring?

Maybe if I quickly blink my eyes as I am reading....

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This bears repeating --  so here it is again  --  let it sink in.    

 
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:06:31 -0600
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

by contrast, G-m's apply (theoretical) obedience training, manipulating a dog to a certain behavior, to the subjects of NT because they never volunteered to love Love..

 

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:00:38 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

..volunteering to love Love, like the Ap John does, to love him who volunteers to love me perpetually, unconditionally, is the normal modern response to the NT

 

it's rooted in (his) healing..

 

 

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:40:57 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin.
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning.
1 John 3

acc to the Ap john, JC voluntarily removes sin--all of it, perpetually

i volunteer to love them guys

my committment to them has nothin' to do with the superficial results of involuntary compliance

the truth is that JCs command no one can keep--heal! -- is saving me

i believe this

healing is not conditioned on obedience

and, since God himself, who can't be manipulated to heal, heals voluntarily, perpetually, (then) all obedience training is a farce..

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:41:15 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

for humans biblical salvation is purely voluntary, like the Alamo--you wanna defend the KoG in history with JC, cross his line in the sand

 

this is obedience to him--salvation (via 'a crucifixion') you volunteer for is just that, voluntary

 

who, then, as a volunteer, has any right to compel the involuntary religious obedience of another?

 

while the G-m's (God-manipulators) among us do exactly that requiring y/our compliance by a certain force, ask 'compliance? to whom?'

 

i'd say these G-m types never volunteered for nothin' worth volunteerin' for and that's their real problem; FTR, neither God's nor mine

 

 

On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:32:32 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 

To argue that salvation is free but after the initial event, we must obey to maintain this salvation is wrong on several levels:

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6.    [re: pronouncing] 'that what God could not do for man, man must do for himself !!'

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