Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

[Debbie Sawczak]

You. ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death So Debbie do you believe ppl are led about by an unconscious or subconscious mind or something like that to which Augustine, Calvin and the enlightenment have heavy input?  What proof do you have for this?  jt   On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:11:55 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: By "not big", do you mean their names were not much mentioned, and they weren't much quoted? That has little to do with it. The biggest influences are quite often not known by name and not consciously recognized.   Debbie From: Judy Taylor   I'll accept Satan and the flesh David but - Augustine and Calvin were not big in Australia when I was growing up. Not in the circles I moved in anyway.  Maybe you could explain how and in what ways they have influenced society Otherwise to me this is just the reverse of Lance telling us we can't know anything because of the enlightenment Well it has about the same effect anyway.   judyt   On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:52:56 -0400 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy, you misunderstand.  The BIGGEST influence in your life is the Spirit of God.  I never meant to list influences to the exclusion of him.   All of us have been influenced by Augustine, Calvin, our flesh, Satan, etc.  The Bible teaches us that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.  That takes care of the flesh and of Satan.  Besides, which of us have not been influenced to eat, or to marry and reproduce, or to do something wrong?  As for Augustine and Calvin, one only need study history and philosophy to realize their impact on the world, and if we are in the world, then they have influenced us in some way.   Peace be with you. David Miller. ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death Good question - it appears as though to some people I've been influenced by everything BUT the Spirit of God. I'd like to see the facts myself.   jt   On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Show me the FAXS   How is your perception a TRUISM? David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin wrote: > Facts to prove that JT was influenced by .... Why would any sane person not believe that JT has been influenced by Augustine, Calvin, her flesh, Satan, etc.? Why make an argument out of a truism? Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com                                                 judyt But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord,                are changed into the same image from glory to glory,                even as by the Spirit of the Lord. (2 Corinthians 3:18)