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I already did, but you apparently didn’t
read my posts, examine the scriptures, or carefully consider my perfect
arguments. So you only have one choice left: “Do whatever, because
God won’t care now that you are saved.” Enjoy. iz From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let me know what you think after you have actually read the post, examined
the scriptures, and carefully considered the exegetical/contextual arguments. Knee jerk
one-liner responses probably will never work as a rebuttal to the kind of discussion below. Explain to me why I am wrong in
the several points made below JD Oh, yeah, this all supports that scripture
that says, ?Once you?ve
decided to believe that Jesus
is your savior you can do whatever you darn well please and God will ignore
it.? izzy From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. Heb 2:2-3 present to the reader of long ago,
the certainty of an accounting of our transgressions
and disobedience and the occurring
"just reward" (death !!!). When Paul
(?) gives admonition against neglecting "so great a
salvation," he is encouraging the reader to pursue that which
will avoid the accounting of
our transgressions and disobedience. "Salvation" prevents
judgment. 2. If we read this otherwise, we have this rather unusual reading
: He (Christ) presents
you holy, blameless and above
reproach so long as you are holy, blameless and above reproach. This is how the passage
(verses 22,23) reads if
translated by a works salvationist.
3. Romans 3:24 "being
justified freely by His grace
through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." Romans 3:28
"Therefore we concluded that a man is justified by faith
apart from the deeds of the
law. " In the reading of these two
passages, we have the fact of
our salvation - a salvation based upon the redemptive act of Christ Jesus and justification by faith, therefore,
apart from obedience (and disobedience, I might add ) to the
law. Our salvation is already a reality and is based on
nothing that we have done of our own effort. How could it be otherwise in
view of the fact that our salvation occurs in this life!!!!!
Either Christ secured our salvation in the redemptive act and apart from
any consideration of the application of law, or He did not. And if
we are saved in this life, it must be a salvation apart from the deeds of
the law. If it is now, immediate and
secure, it cannot involve the coniseration of a law
whatsoever !!!!!!!!!!!!!
In other words -- I am saved BEFORE I g o to court!! Lest we forget, Romans 3:10-18 finds Paul
making the point that "there is none who is righteous," that we are
all guilty (3:19) if judged by law (that is what "guilty"
means, is it not -- that we have been found guilty in the sight of the law?).
To be judged by the law is to be found guilty !!
Shall we neglect a salvation that delivers us from this
circumstance? Romans 10:4 "For Christ is the end of the
law for [purposes]
righteousness to everyone who believes. and Romans 10:11 "whoever believes on
Him will not be put to
shame." 4> Gal. 3:35 "But after faith
has come, we are no longer under law [a tutor]."
No
law -- no judgment !!!! 5. Jere 31:34 Under this new covenat
- a covenant entirely different from the Mosaical Law,
God gives this promise "........... I will forgive their iniquity
and their sin I will remember
no more." Conclusion ------------ those in Christ
are not judged except as being in Christ. Those who follow not
Christ are judged already (you supply the scripture.) JD |
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