From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Terry wrote:
> I believe that He denied Himself
> from start to finish.
 
If you believe that he denied himself, then you  believe that he experienced
desires which were contrary to the way that the Father wanted him to walk,
right?
 
Terry wrote:
> I do not see revulsion at the thought of becoming
> so unclean as to be  forsaken by the Father as a sin.
> Think about it.  His job was to become what His
> Father hated.  He asked if there was some other way.
> That is not disobedience.
 
I did not say that he disobeyed.  I said that he was tempted to do something
other than what the Father wanted him to do.  You seem to not recognize the
intense struggle he was in, resisting the temptation to avoid the cross.
 
jt: I don't know whether or not this is a third idea - but I don't see this as
a temptation to flee per se. When Peter suggested such Jesus reaction
tells us that he would never have done that.  His face was set. I believe
it was knowing that he would be vulnerable to death, the last enemy
as our substitute.
 
Terry wrote:
> His heart was pure.
 
Yes, his heart was pure, and more than that, his heart was strong so that he
could overcome the desires of his flesh.  The heart is not the flesh, but
rather it is the spirit, the center of man.  Jesus was a pure man, the Son
of God, in the form of sinful flesh, in mortal form, that he might conquer
sin and the lust of the flesh, the pride of life, and all that has caused
men to depart from the commandments of a Holy God.
 
jt: Unregenerated people who walk after the flesh have a "heart of flesh"
But Jesus was not born unregenerated; he was sired by the Holy Spirit,
was given a full measure and was anointed as Prophet/Priest/King in
ministry for our salvation.  Who in their right mind would believe he walked
after the flesh ever?
 

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