I see; thanks for spelling that out. I have some uncertainty, especially
given our different understandings of "flesh", and the fact that I've never
encountered (3) before in an articulation of the fall. I think our views
would overlap. I'll continue thinking about this. Meanwhile you can put me
in whatever category you like.
Debbie
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
Debbie wrote:
I'm not sure where the problem lies.
Yes, what Christ accomplished deals with all
the negatives, but goes beyond that ...
I agree that what Christ has accomplished goes beyond that. I agree that
we
will be something greater than Adam was before the fall, after we are
glorified. Where the problem lies is in denying the fall, denying the
idea
of restoration and redemption.
I outlined conditions that existed before the fall: 1) no death, 2) no
sickness or disease, 3) no influence of evil spirits of the air, 4) no
sinful nature of the flesh, 5) no sin. After the fall, there was 1)
death,
2) sickness and disease, 3) influence of
evil spirits in the air to lead others into sin, 4) a sinful nature
inherited in the flesh, and 5) sin.
Do you agree or disagree with these conditions? If you agree, then you
believe in the fall. If you do not agree, then you do not believe in the
fall. John has expressed that he does not agree with these conditions.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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