Are all illnesses "demonic" in your opinion -- whether physical or
mental or
a combination of both? Martin Luther was a textbook bi-polar. Do you think
that precluded him
from being a "Christian," as in a true believer?
> Really interesting analogies, Judy and David. I'll think
about that a
lot.
> By the way, the enemies in the land comment
leads me to ask if anyone
knows
> what is the underlying problem
with people who are commonly labeled
> "
Bi-polar"--up one day and low the next, and seem to me to
always be
looking
> for someone to be angry with. They are
commonly treated with lithium.
I've
> been around someone like
that the last couple of weeks (who says she is a
> Christian by the
way), and it seems demonic to me.
izzy>
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>
David Miller wrote:
> >> The concept that the Holy Spirit is
working to convict
> >> believers of various sins, such as
stealing, lust,
> >> covetousness, etc. is
dangerous.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > Why do you see this as
dangerous David?
>
> Because people confuse the voice of the
Spirit with their own inner
> convictions. Furthermore, they
misinterpret the work of the Holy Spirit,
> and therefore ascribe
works to him which are not his. This leads
to
error.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > Being conformed to
the "image of Christ"
> > does not happen overnight. It is
a process,
> > just as salvation itself is a process of
past,
> > present, future.
>
> It depends which image
of Christ you are talking about. Are you talking
> about him
in his now glorified state? You bet that is a process. Are
you
> talking about Christ as an infant lying in a manger? No,
that is not a
> process. That is an event called being born
again.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > An object lesson is given
us in scripture ... when
> > after Israel celebrated the
passover and God led
> > them
supernaturally to the promised land. They
> > were
instructed to go in and take the land which
> > He would give to
them little by little. He did
> > not clear the land all at one
time because they would
> > not be strong enough to hold it.
(Exodus 23:29,30)
>
> Good object lesson, but look at it
closely. They were no longer slaves in
> Egypt at this
point. Once they crossed that Red Sea and the waters killed
>
the Egyptians that were pursuing them, they were sa ved. They
had
> deliverance from bondage to Egypt, which represents our
deliverance from
the
>
> bondage of sin to this world
system. What they lacked was possessing the
> promised land,
the kingdom of God. This is where faith comes in, and this
>
is where the process of growth is important.
>
> We are
immediately delivered, but love still is perfected. I may not
sin,
> but that does not mean that I cannot love better.
Yesterday I may have
> helped someone who came looking to me for
help, but today I might seek out
> those who need help.
Yesterday, I might have known how to lead someone to
a
>
>
hospital to get help, but today I might pray for him to be
healed
instantly
> and thereby better help him in his
situation. Jesus at one time did no
> miracles, but his
obedience and love were perfected at that time when
he
did
>
> minister in miracles and healed the sick, and
ultimately gave his life a
> ransom for all, the ultimate _expression_
of love which he did when he was
> more than 33 years old, not when
he was 5 years old.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > Likewise when
we surrender our lives to Christ
> > we also have enemies on the
land (our heart) ...
>
> You have the wrong analogy here,
Judy. The enemies of our own heart were
> when we were in
Egypt, or the
unbelief when God tells
us to possess his
> kingdom and we say such is impossible. The
enemies in the land, the
>
Kenites, and the
Kenizzites, and the
Kadmonites, and the
Hittites, and the
>
Perizzites, and the
Rephaims, and the
Amorites, and the
Canaanites, and< BR>the
>
Girgashites, and the
Jebusites... these enemies represent not defects
of
our
>
> own heart, but enemies in the air,
principalities and powers and rulers of
> darkness and spiritual
wickedness in high places which inspire people to
act
>
>
contrary to us and to mock us and to hate us and kill us.
>
>
Judy wrote:
> > Those of us who are honest will admit that
we
> > were walking in most of
Galatians 5:19,21 if not all.
>
> "WERE" is the
proper tense. Why do you try and resurrect it to present
>
tense?
>
> Judy wrote:
> > That the land of our heart
is inhabited by some enemies
> > is evident by what comes out of
our mouths (at times).
>
> Nothing defiling comes out of my
mouth anymore. Once it had, yes, but not
> anymore. I'm
sure my rebukes or corrections appear oth erwise to some on
> this
list, as they like to point to such things as evidence of my
>
sinfulness, but God knows what is good and right and what is not.
Men of
> wickedness lack discernment of such things.
>
>
Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
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