And what about those who say they are Christian
giving Him lip service but whose hearts are far
from Him and who deny Him by their very actions and/or
lifestyle?
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:29:05 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I do not make much of the silence of the scripture in terms of dogma. My reference to the absence of a demonic Christian is partnered with a number of biblical references i.e. the binding of the strong man.I would simply thing the answer to the last question in your post to "yes - if we are not talking about rejection of the Lord."
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I happen to agree with you, John, but absence of an example in the Bible does not prove it. In your statement, the question might be can a Christian not have his mind set on the Spirit and still be a Christian.
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>Christian's cannot have demons, Linda. Don't listen to me on this. Just >go to your bible and try to find one who did .................... not >there. As long as the mind is set on the Spirit to any degree, it can't >happen. It didn't even happen in the OT
> >Jd
>
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>From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:14:19 -0400
>Subject: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
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>From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>You are asking the wrong question, as I wonder about these things myself
>from time to time. Can a true Believer have a demon? Be "oppressed"? Be
>possessed? What's the difference??? I'd like to hear other opinions. izzy
>
>jt: Yes, Yes, and No. We need to understand that there are two kingd om's
>involved here and the Christian is in the process of transferring from one >to
>the other. We are all oppressed from time to time and God allows the enemy
>to test us. Years ago I read a book called "Blumhardt's battle" about a >German
>pastor with a severely demonized parishoner. He spent many hours praying
>with her and declaring the victory of Christ until she was entirely free. >jt
>
>
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>Are all illnesses "demonic" in your opinion -- whether physical or mental >or
>a combination of both? Martin Luther was a textbook bi-polar. Do you think
>that precluded him from being a "Christian," as in a tru e believer?
>
>Just curious what you think, Bill
>
>
>From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > Really interesting analogies, Judy and David. I'll think about that a
>lot.
> > By the way, the enemies in the land comment leads me to ask if anyone
>knows
> > what is the underlying problem with people who are commonly labeled
> > "Bi-polar"--up one day and low the next, and seem to me to always be
>looking
> > for someone to be angry with. They are commonly treated with lithium.
>I've
> > been around someone like that the last couple of weeks (who says she is >a
> > Christian by the way), and it seems demonic to me. izzy
> >
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> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Miller
> > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:00 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
> >
> > David Miller wrote:
> > >> The concept that the Holy Spirit is working to convict
> > >> believers of various sins, such as stealing, lust,
> > >> covetousness, etc. is dangerous.
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > Why do you see this as dangerous David?
> >
> > Because people confuse the voice of the Spirit with their own inner ;
> > convictions. Furthermore, they misinterpret the work of the Holy >Spirit,
> > and therefore ascribe works to him which are not his. This leads to
>error.
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > Being conformed to the "image of Christ"
> > > does not happen overnight. It is a process,
> > > just as salvation itself is a process of past,
> > > present, future.
> >
> > It depends which image of Christ you are talking about. Are you talking
> > about him in his now glorified state? You bet that is a process. Are >you
> > talking about Christ as an infant lying in a manger? No, that is not a
> > process. That is an event called being born again.
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > An object lesson is given us in scripture ... when
> > > after Israel celebrated the passover and God led
> > > them supernaturally to the promised land. They
> > > were instructed to go in and take the land which
> > > He would give to them little by little. He did
> > > not clear the land all at one time because they would
> > > not be strong enough to hold it. (Exodus 23:29,30)
> >
> > Good object lesson, but look at it closely. They were no longer slaves >in
> > Egypt at this point. Once they crossed that Red Sea and the waters >killed
> > the Egyptians that were pursuing them, they were saved. They had
> > deliverance from bondage to Egypt, which represents our deliverance from
>the
> >
> > bondage of sin to this world system. What they lacked was possessing >the
> > promised land, the kingdom of God. This is where faith comes in, and >this
> > is where the process of growth is important.
> >
> > We are immediately delivered, but love still is perfected. I may not >sin,
> > but that does not mean that I cannot love better. Yesterday I may have
> > helped someone who came looking to me for help, but today I might seek >out
> > those who need help. Yesterday, I might have known how to lead someone >to
>a
> >
> > hospital to get help, but today I might pray for him to be healed
>instantly
> > and thereby better help him in his situation. Jesus at one time did no
> > miracles, but his obedience and love were perfected at that time when he
>did
> >
> > minister in miracles and healed the sick, and ultimately gave his life a
> > ransom for all, the ultimate _expression_ of love which he did when he was
> > more than 33 years old, not when he was 5 years old.
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > Likewise when we surrender our lives to Christ
> > > we also have enemies on the land (our heart) ...
> >
> > You have the wrong analogy here, Judy. The enemies of our own heart >were
> > when we were in Egypt, or the unbelief when God tells us to possess his
> > kingdom and we say such is impossible. The enemies in the land, the
> > Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and >the
> > Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and
>the
> > Girgashites, and the Jebusites... these enemies represent not defects of
>our
> >
> > own heart, but enemies in the air, principalities and powers and rulers >of
> > darkness and spiritual wickedness in high places which inspire people to
>act
> >
> > contrary to us and to mock us and to hate us and kill us.
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > Those of us who are honest will admit that we
> > > were walking in most of Galatians 5:19,21 if not all.
> >
> > "WERE" is the proper tense. Why do you try and resurrect it to present
> > tense?
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > That the land of our heart is inhabited by some enemies
> > > is evident by what comes out of our mouths (at times).
> >
> > Nothing defiling comes out of my mouth anymore. Once it had, yes, but >not
> > anymore. I'm sure my rebukes or corrections appear otherwise to some on
> > this list, as they like to point to such things as evidence of my
> > sinfulness, but God knows what is good and right and what is not. Men >of
> > w ickedness lack discernment of such things.
> >
> > Peace be with you.
> > David Miller.
> >
> > ----------
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>know
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