Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

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The blessing belongs to the one who has the birthright.  To whom did the birthright rightfully belong?

 

This is not what the text indicates.  

 

You never answered my question.  Is your position that you hate Jacob and love Esau?  That is what it sounds like to me. Love and hate have nothing to do with discussion.   I think one man was a little too concerned for the here and now and the other a selfish lying jerk.   Does either of these descriptions sound like love to you?    For obvious reasons, that makes your position difficult for me to accept.  

 

The judgment of God is in favor of Jacob and contrary to Esau, no matter which way you try to spin the facts.  We should seek to understand why if we care about understanding the wisdom of God.

 

God does not use the best of the best, the pure, the righteous  -   certainly not always.   Jacob got the birthright "fair and square."   The "blessing" had to be stolen.   Jacob had to lie big time to get this blessing.   Lesson:   God can use anyone to accomplish his will.   

 

JD  

 

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

You need to learn how to be little more subtle, David.   

 

I believe my point was concerning the birthright and Heb. 12:17.  

 

As to Jacob's deceit and lies, there can be no doubt.  After reviewing the biblical account,  if the birthright and the blessing are two  different things,  then Jacob only manipulate his brother for the birthright.   The "blessing" was quite another matter, however. and was a theft, pure and simple.  There was ample inheritance for Esau and Jacob.   Esau's share ( a thrid of all that could be inhe rited) made him a wealthy man.   The blessing was different.   I believe the "blessing" was a contract between God and the&n bsp;patriarch of the family.   The blessing was pronounced and God gave it honor and reality.  

Easu sold his birthright for food.   Jacob stole the blessing for obvious reasons.........none of them good. 

 

JD

 
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

They did not steal anything, but let me see if I have your perspective right.  You hate Jacob [because of lies, cunning, and deceit], but you love Esau [because he wept about selling his birthright]?

 

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

 

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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

I believe "the blessing" in v 17 refers to the birthright.  I do not believe Jacob and Esau is about spiritual values or destinies.   I mean -  Jacob and his mother used lies, cunning and deceit to steal the birthright from Esau.

 

Jd