Dave, are you intentionally distorting my words, or do you just not get it?
This is why over the last several months I have stopped communicating, for
the most part, with you. You said, "so their only response seems to be as
Perry's above..../*a pure waste of time*/ to consider what God wants to
happen."
That is false. That is not what I said is a pure waste of time. I want to
know what God wants to happen...but do not care about what DID NOT HAPPEN.
Who cares what DID NOT HAPPEN? The Bible REVEALS what God wants to happen.
Viewing what DID NOT HAPPEN does not. Conjecturing on "what if" does not.
Your bogus extrabiblical satan crap does not.
Sharpen up, Dave. Wake up and smell the postum. I have answered you three
ways to Sunday. You never seem to get what I say, you often restate it in
your own words revealing your own misconception and misquoting me in the
process, and when confronted with it try to weasel out of it. Discussing
things with you is not enjoyable. It is a pain to spend 95% of my bandwith
to you fending off your misconceptions, misquotes, and heretical viewpoints.
It is a royal pain. My initial impression of you from 2.5 years ago is still
intact. You do not really want to know what "protestants" think...you only
want to refute what they think. You are incongruent in that your words say
one thing, but your actions reveal another. People who are integrated, that
is, their words and actions match, are much more enjoyable to be around.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:17:06 -0700
DAVEH: Haven't you been reading Perry's posts about it?.........
/Perry wrote:
What is the purpose of this conjecture? Adam and Eve fell, so it is **a
pure waste of time** to conjecture otherwise./
........It seems that whenever (with some occasional exceptions....DavidM)
I've tried to discuss the Fall of A&E with Protestants, they don't want to
consider what happened prior to the Fall that precipitated the Fall. Does
that make sense, JD? From my LDS perspective, there is a lot of
extra-Biblical revelation that explains some of the oddities about the Fall
of A&E. Protestants don't have that advantage, so their only response
seems to be as Perry's above..../*a pure waste of time*/ to consider what
God wants to happen.
For instance....If God does not want sin to enter the world, why did he
allow Satan to influence Eve? Does Protestantism offer an answer to that
question?
BTW........I suspect having a discussion such as this may cause some
TTers to have a conniption, which will undoubtedly bring on a slew of ugly
posts. If you wish, we can take this off TT to keep it simple without all
the distractions.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"limited view of the fall." How so. Poisoning? Some think they
are the protectors of the truth. Most of us know that such effort is
fully unnecessary. We are all big boys and girls, in spite of our we
often act. You and Blaine included.....sorry. :-) Anyway, give it
a try. "How so?" JD
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:39:13 -0700
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall
DAVEH: This topic fascinates me, as I'm very curious as to why the
Protestants have such a limited (from my perspective) view of the Fall.
But for me to offer my thoughts on this event would be seen as poisoning
the well by some TTers.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone care to have a real discussion ??? I am still working on the
"fall" of man. Man is created out of the dust of the earth and returns
to same when he dies. He was created as a mortal - thus the tree of
life is found in the garden. I assume they ate of that tree up until
the time they sinned or there was no point to the tree being there except
for the story teller to reveal that A&E were driven from the garden
because of the tree and what it offered. The accounting of their
temptation-to-sin reflects the very same process as exists in our lives.
There is no indication within the text that their nature or essence
changed. So why should I conclude that the fall included more than the
record of the first sin event. Virtually everyone I know and respect
thinks there is more to the fall than the sin event. Why? I get a
little nervous when I realize that I am the only one who thinks a
particular thing. Help.
JD
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