Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

[Kevin Deegan]

DH says I did not say that God tempted Adam and Eve.....that is what Kevin has been to trying to make you think we believe.

 

Now DH refuses to answer, yet I am misleading GET REAL!

STOP WHINING and show us why I am wrong!

HERE IS MY "OFFENSIVE" STATEMENT  (I did not say what you are CRAFTILY MISQOUTING) I said God's plan!!!!!!!!

LDS belief posits that A&E sinned because it was God's plan that they must sin in order to allow them to procreate. This proves that the God of Mormonism is not the same charater as the God of the bible who tempts no man to sin! it is that "Angel of light" that tempts men to sin.

SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WILL RESOLVE; BUT DH WILL NOT CLEAR IT UP!

Do you claim it was not the LDS god's purpose to be fulfilled by TRANSGRESSION?

Do you see the fall as just a FORMALITY, a PLANNED Offense, to serve an eternal purpose?

If it was PLANNED whose plan was it?

BASIS for the questions comes from a BOOK PRINTED UNDER AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH TO INSTRUCT MISSIONARIES (Does Church Instructional Manuals, also include personal opinion?)

"For reasons that have not been revealed, this transition, or "fall," could not happen without a transgression-an exercise of moral agency amounting to a willful breaking of a law (see Moses 6:59). This would be a planned offense, a formality to serve an eternal purpose. The Prophet Lehi explained that "if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen" but would have remained in the same state in which he was created (2 nephi 2:22).. Missionary Preparation, Religion 130 p 74 Lesson 10

Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I did not say that God tempted Adam and Eve.....that is what Kevin has been to trying to make you think we believe.

DAVEH:  I thought the above was the answer to your question.  However in reviewing it, technically that calls for an assumption on your part...so, I should have been more specific..  

    FTR....I do NOT believe God tempted Adam and Eve.  I believe (and LDS Doctrine teaches) that Lucifer tempted them.

ShieldsFamily wrote:

Then why don't you just answer the question? Did God tempt A&E? iz

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DAVEH:  Therein lies the problem, Izzy.  When you hear other TTers saying something untrue about my beliefs, you assume they are correct.    Go back and read what I posted.  I did not say that God tempted Adam and Eve.....that is what Kevin has been to trying to make you think we believe.

ShieldsFamily wrote:

You keep saying the God tempted Adam and Eve.  The Bible says the Snake did it.  Which one do you believe? iz

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DAVEH:  Do you believe the Snake represents God or Satan, Izzy?  If you think LDS folks believe the Snake to represent "God", then perhaps you would logically and correctly conclude that LDS folks believe God tempted man.  If LDS folks believe the Snake represents Satan, then the logic of Kevin's argument falls apart.

ShieldsFamily wrote:

(Ever hear of the Snake, Dave?) iz

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DAVEH:  Normally I do not engage you in theological discussions, Kevin.  But I'm having trouble resisting on this one.  Do you literally believe the Bible when it says that God tempts no man to sin?  Assuming the answer is yes, then is it not be true that God did not tempt the only man alive to sin in the Garden of Eden?  For that matter, who tempted woman in the Garden....do you believe LDS folks teach it was God as your below logic suggests?   If not, then why would you use such illogical reasoning to explain why my beliefs are wrong?

    Aarrrrggggggggh......I wish I had the fortitude to not bend my own rules!     :-(

Kevin Deegan wrote:

LDS belief posits that A&E sinned because it was God's plan that they must sin in order to allow them to procreate. This proves that the God of Mormonism is not the same charater as the God of the bible who tempts no man to sin! it is that "Angel of light" that tempts men to sin.

Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

DAVEH:  I find that an interesting response, Perry.  Why do you think it is a pure waste of time to consider what God wanted, and Lucifer frustrated?  Extrapolating that logic, it would be a waste of time for folks to talk about becoming perfect as commanded by the Lord.

Perry wrote:
What is the purpose of this conjecture? Adam and Eve fell, so it is a pure waste of time to conjecture otherwise.

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