I agree with you, Terry. I wish I could make my point !! Look - faith and works (obedience) or two different things -- right. Now, of course, each is related to the other. If faith (conviction) is real, then obedience at some level will be the result. But in the Genesis account, at what point was Abraham's faith accounted as if it were righteousness? When he believed and before he did anything. Please read the text. You gots to agree. Works are no longer commanded into existence via fear of punishment. Rather, obedience is a love response to the relationship of the Father and the Son and into which we have been born again. If it is not this, it is works salvationism and i
s worthless.
Does that not make any sense? I have preached this for years. Never have I been miss understood. No one except some on this forum have ever accused me of preaching lisence.
Jd
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:38:38 -0500
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Terry
Do you not think that Abraham;s obedience was seen as evidence of his faith? Could such obedience have been possibly counted as anything other than a right (righteous) relationship (Master/ servant) with God? Could Abraham have shown his faith without that obedience? Faith works. Never doubt it. Think about that, please.Judy insists that the "faith" of Romans 4:4 is a faith that works righteousness. So let's put that thinking into the passage and see what we have ---------- " Abraham believed (performed works of righteousness as a test of his believing) and it was considered to be a replacement for righteousness."If you see this as the meaning of the passage, take the remainder of your savings and spend it on a seeing eye dog.JD
Terry
