You are one arrogant son of a gun. You drag every
debatable conversation into the personal. Without exception,
David. in time, this is your only tactic, in
fact. You don't like being questioned because it challenges your sense of
control. You want others to consider you to be HIGHLY educated as
well as SPIRITUALLY superior (you being the only on this list who has
not misused scripture -- according to , ah, you). It
is important to you. I think you said, at one time, that you have a BS in science and are self-educated in
other areas of concern -- such as Greek. All this is
not only fine - you could command the acclaim you deserve if you
could, somehow, refrain from making every
single debate a opportunity for personal
insults and the like.& nbsp; The "gossip" you complained about, David (and how do we
know that you did not just make up that charge? I mean, who would have
told you?) --- one of the things that gets mentioned is how much
potential you have intellectually. You have even impressed those who are
not your friends. Your big failing has to do with these
insults. ..... on every occasion. We
are not the only ones you have trouble with ................. and you
and I know this to be true. Can you deal with this problem. It would, in deed, change
your life for the better.
JD wrote:
> I missed this post, David, so I will reply in
> addition to Lance.
John, you have a habit of saying that you missed posts, when you indeed have
already responded to them. You responded to this post last night. In fact,
this post was included in more than one thread to which you responded last
night. Sometimes I get the feeling that you are not reading my posts very
carefully.
JD wrote:
> I did not say anything about the bible not containing
> truth. You did that when you changed the wording
> (and, hence, the meaning, of what I wrote) from
> "contains the Word of God" to "contains truth."
> I personally believe that you practice this sort of thing
> intentionally and when you really have no argument for
> what was actually written. You do this sort of thing often.
> Please respond to what I said and the examples I gave
> you FROM THE BIBLE (by the way).
If the Bible contains the Word of God it contains truth, does it not? I
fail to understand the distinction you see in the meaning of these words in
regards to the context in which I used them. If you want to write it the
other way, go ahead. My point still stands. It changes nothing in regards
to what I said.
As for addressing your examples from the Bible, I don't see any from you in
the thread below, so I have no idea what you are talking about.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
----- Original Message -----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!
I missed this post, David, so I will reply in addition to Lance.
I did not say anything about the bible not containing truth. You did that
when you changed the wording (and , hence, the meaning, of what I wrote)
from "contains the Word of God" to "contains truth." I personally believe
that you practice this sort of thing intentionally and when you really have
no argument for what was actually written. You do this sort of thing often.
Please respond to what I said and the examples I gave you FROM THE BIBLE
(by the way).
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:29:30 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!
The Bible IS entirely trustworthy, David. It is you and I who are not.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Miller
To: [email protected]
Sent: October 13, 2005 17:50
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!
I'm glad you clarified this. I thought maybe you had 1 John 5:8 in mind,
but deep down, I think I knew better. :-)
If you study the Scriptures a little closer, you will find that what you
attribute to man is actually attributed to the Holy Ghost. For example,
consider Heb. 3:7, which quotes a psalm, something which you apparently
attribute to man, but the author of Hebrews attributes to the Holy Ghost.
When I hear the statement that the Bible contains truth, there is an
implication that some of it does not contain truth. The problem with this
is that it suggests the Bible is only trustworthy when one weeds through the
parts that is true and separates it from what is false (kind of like the
Thomas Jefferson approach to the Bible). When I hear the statement that the
Bible is truth, this has the implication that there is no falsehood in the
Bible (in other words, the Bible in its entirety is trustworthy).
DM.
----- Original Message -----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!
Of course it did. You Judy and Linda simply don't read. I said there
were at least three sources of information in the biblical record. God
"thus said the Lord" (verses abound); Satan "thou shalt not surely die"
(you have no idea where this is found IN SCRITPURE ????) and man ( many of
the psalms.)
You, in return, offered nothing ----- once again ----- that speaks to
the issue. And you can't.
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:34:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!
So now I have to provide proof whenever you come up with another of your
baseless statements?
Your assertion contained no supporting data, why not?
Where did you learn the Bible "contains" the truth?
Thy word IS Truth JN 17:17
It is not a "message"
It does not contain truth
it is the very word of God
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin, kevin, kevin --------------- you have offered nothing for proof.
Who among us argues what is written in 17:17. The biblcial message does
present at least three sources of information. If you need a proof text
for that , well, you're just not reading the book.
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 04:33:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!
Since the "scholars contains truth" crowd won't provide proof tetxts, here
they are:
JN 17 :17 thy word is ((contains)) Truth
Hi Iz,
I presume that when you wrote the following (that about which Judy responds,
"what Izzy says stands ..."), you were asking a rhetorical question -- the
answer being, Of course not: "Can you separate God and His ... written
Word?" I would like to challenge you to reconsider. If there is no
difference, i.e., no separation, between God and his written word, then go
ahead and pray to your Bible, for they are one in the same. You (not you
personally, but your cohorts) criticized John for suggesting that the Bible
contains the Word of God, demanding proof texts; yet you yourself write that
it is "the Truth contained within" the Bible which is holy, and that Jesus'
word speaks to you from those pages, if you have ears to hear. Would you
mind explaining to me how this is different from that which set you (pl) off
concerning John's statement?
Christians know better than to think it's okay to pray to their Bibles, yet
with their own words, they sometimes exalt the Bible to a status due only to
God. The two are not the same: that is what Lance is saying, and that is
what John is saying, and, if I correctly apprehend your latest comment, that
is what you are saying -- Judy's kudos noted. I think we all agree. Praise
the Lord!
Bill
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