RE: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

[ShieldsFamily]

Do you believe that Mary is the Mediatrix, Lance? Do you pray to her? izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:17 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter   YES, in the same way that Evangelical, Protestant, Pentecostal, Independent, Charismatic, Episcopal/ Anglican, Presbyterian, Baptist, Orthodox, Brethren and, (the ones I'm leaving out such as the totally non-affiliated David Miller type churches). IMO, God draws from all of the above plus groups in China, Russia, India, Central and South America that have no names.   Should any wish to respond by identifying the heresies within the RCC then, please identify the heresies within all of the others, working from TT outward. ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: October 18, 2005 00:23 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter   You did not speak for yourself that I can observe, Lance.  DO you think RCC is true theology? (Please don’t recommend a list of books as the answer; just yes or no please.) iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 2:14 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter   As to a belief that the 'RCC folks do not espouse true theology', I'd prefer to speak for myself. Hereunder are some of my recommendations for reading (all Catholic):   Hans Urs Von Balthasar, Henri Nouwen, Jean Vanier, Teresa of Avila, Julian of Norwich, Dorothy Sayers and Simone Weill.   Buy some. Read some. Your life will be made the richer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: October 16, 2005 17:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter   DAVEH:   Sorry about that, Lance.  I had hoped you would understand the underlying humor in my answer.      To give you a serious answer, let me offer the example of what I perceive to be true of Mother Theresa.  Neither you or I believe that the RCC folks espouse true theology, yet apparently MT was a true Christian due to her love of those who were disadvantaged.  Is there any truer Christian than one who gives her (or his) life to others?  I don't think so.      There are many Christian folk who believe in doctrines that I think are in error.  From my perspective that does not make them any less Christian than one how professes true doctrine, but yet whose works demonstrate no motivation for being a Christian.  There are a lot of goodly (and Godly) sincere Christians in the world who believe opposing doctrines.  It is not for me to judge them as inadequate in the Lord's eyes.  I'll leave the judging to the Judge, and as for myself.....I'll try to worry more about how to treat others with respect even though I may disagree with their beliefs. Lance Muir wrote: I'm not asking you to speak for God, Dave. I'm asking for you to speak within the context of your own tradition.   You may recall my various attempts to address the question 'Who is Jesus?'. Now, whatever the variance within the Christian tradition(s) (I do not consider Mormonism Christian), there isn't simply a 'variance' between you and I.   FWIW, I DO BELIEVE that such as Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Christadelphians MAY be born from above even through a maze of heretical beliefs (IMO). DAVEH:   How would I know, Lance???   Perhaps Brother Dean can answer that question from his personal experience!      :-D Lance Muir wrote: Is it possible for one to have a true heart connection (be born from above) with God through Christ by the Spirit while espousing beliefs via one's dogma that are intrinsically unreal (false)?   -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.