Re: [TruthTalk] Judging by Doctrine

[Terry Clifton]

I am not talking about my fallibility.  I am talking about God's infallibility.  God has given us free will to believe as we choose to believe.  There was a time when I believed nothing.  That does not work.  Now I believe that the Word of God is true.  All of it. I may not understand all of it yet, but I understand what I told you about submission very well. Take it from me.  I know more about the word of God than does the pope. ance Muir wrote: Brother Terry: Please take this seriously! Do you hold to a 'house of cards theology'? (pull one card and they all come down - therefore, if you've misunderstood one doctrine and, God permitted it then, you might be wrong about everything else you believe) Think the, for you and for many others, unthinkable; you've mishandled the Scriptures on this matter. IFF this were the case would you then believe nothing?  ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: October 18, 2005 10:18 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judging by Doctrine Brother Lance.  Can you not see that a wife who refuses to submit to her husband is living in sin just as surely as is a husband who will not submit to Christ.  That is God's word.  It is either true, or God is a liar.  Human authors who do not understand that are not worth reading.  That's not an opinion.  That's a fact. Terry P.S.  Like you, I have met many intelligent, capable women, but that does not alter God's word.  It is either all true, or you cannot trust any of it. ,================================================================== Lance Muir wrote: None of those with whom I've worked (of the female persuasion) was either on TV or, in the movies. It is those to whom I refer as being more competent than most of their male counterparts.Were I to guess (I'm about to do so now), I guess that you haven't had nearly the varied experience in the workplace that I have.    As to the 'second fiddle' thingy, David...I'd recommend 'The Trinity & Subordinationism - The Doctrine of God & The Contemporary Gender Debate' Kevin Giles. However, as I perceive this position of yours to be regulative in your tradition, there would be no point in anyone engaging you on it.   As strange as I perceive your view, expressed anecdotally, on education and your family, nonetheless, they are the better for it, fallaciously grounded or not.   ----- Original Message ----- From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: October 17, 2005 16:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judging by Doctrine Lance wrote: > I've met far more competent women > than men throughout my life.   I cannot help but think this perception of yours has been shaped primarily by the number of movies and television shows you watch.  The media predominately portray men weak and inferior.  This then becomes a kind of self fulfilling prophecy, for as men see themselves this way, they begin to act this way, even when it is against their nature.  It is far easier for men to shrug their leadership responsibilities than to assume them, especially when society denigrates them for asserting their natural leadership abilities.   Lance wrote: > One of the church's traditions (NOT the Bible's teaching) > that was, is and will be wrong is that which asks women > to play second fiddle to men.    Excuse me, but the Biblical model is for women to play second fiddle to men.  The Bible teaches that the head of every man is Christ and the head of the woman is the man (1 Cor. 11:3).  Therefore, in the same way that we are to play second fiddle to Christ, so the woman is to play second fiddle to the man.    Lance wrote: > How encouraging it is to see  David Miller supporting Christine > as she pursues post-secondary studies. Every woman should be > prepared to be self sustaining as there are more of us who are > jerks than not. She may not marry someone with the character > of her Dad.   Christine is not preparing herself to be self sustaining.  She is receiving an education.  Women should be educated, not illiterate, barefoot and pregnant.  Furthermore, if she marries an educated man, she needs to be able to think on his level.  I married my wife before she was educated.  It was important to me that she not only complete college, but also that she complete graduate school and receive her Master's degree, not so she could be self sustaining, but so that she could be educated and intelligent in her thinking and speaking.  The Bible teaches us that the woman is the glory of the man.  My wife and my daughters are my glory, so it is natural for me to see that they better themselves in the best possible way.    I'm glad you appreciate my support of Christine to pursue college, but you and I probably have different reasons in mind for doing this.  :-)   Peace be with you. David Miller.