Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

[Dean Moore]

.........I did not see it.  What I did see were comments by leaders that said to the effect that the conception of Mary was a natural process.  To me, and other LDS folks I know, that means that the traditional conception of Mary by some magical snapping of the fingers by the HG (or some such mystical way of conceiving) is incorrect.   Furthermore, the leaders making comments regarding this that I've seen were often times surmising their own beliefs (which are highly respected by other Mormons, but not necessarily considered doctrinal by official standards), rather than quoting LDS doctrine which is found in the Standard Works.      So Perry....dig out the quote that Kevin made saying........ sex between God and Mary was physical ..........and then you will have a point that bears merit.  IF you cannot do that, then you or anybody else saying that is what I believe is simply lying.     BTW.........As I have previously explained several times on TT, not only do I not believe that (sex between God and Mary was physical), but official LDS theology teaches that Mary was a virgin, which is hardly possible IF the sex between God and Mary was physical.  So, for anti-Mormons to continue to perpetuate that lie stretches the limits of incredibility.      For you to warn TTers from getting confused by anything I say.....seems to me that the blind are leading the blind, so to speak..  If you really want to exercise *Damage control* Dean, perhaps you should first consider correcting your own errors, lest you deceive them with outright lies.  Otherwise, the *Damage  *will be to your own credibility. cd 10/20: Then-pray tell me- What does the term Natural/Trational Conception mean Dave? And how can one whom produces Naturally/Tradionaly  still be a virgin?And what does Luke 12:10 mean when it says" And everybody who speaks a word against the son of man, it will be forgivi ng him, but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit,it will not be forgiving him (ASV).And how can anyone with a reasonable mind believe a person who claims there are 7 ft Quakers on the moon and ignore this warning- given by Jesus himself- to help us not commit this sin of speaking against the Holy Ghost -as doing the wrong of having sex with someone they are not married to (ie.fornication)-to our own hurt.You are saying that the "HG" had a natural sexually act with Mary that conceived Jesus. Now -pray tell how am I wrong-show me to my satisfaction-and I will beg forgiveness of making this claim against your theology.