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10/22/2005 12:26:34 AM
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Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter
CONTEXT JD!
Can't you ever get it straight?
Who said what?
'' l believe the Father came down from heaven,
as the Apostles said he did, and begat the Savior of the World; for He
is the Only Begotten of the Father which could not have been if the
Father did not actually beget him in person''. (Young Journal of
Discourses Vol. 1 page 238)
''When the time came that His first-born, the
Savior, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the
Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead
of letting any other man do it. The Savior was begotten by the
Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our
spirits, and that is all the organic difference between Jesus Christ
and you and me.'' (Journal of Discourses Vol. 4 page 218)
AND the quote that we were discussing (CONTEXT)
''The birth of the Savior was as natural as are
the births of our children ; it was the result of natural action.
He partook of flesh and blood--was begotten
of his Father, as we were of our fathers'' (Journal of
Discourses Vol. 8 page 115)
Your argument is with the LDS! Brigham was VERY
confused
"Christ was begotten by an
Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten
by mortal fathers," (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, page 547.)
"And
Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being;
he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any
mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative
about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal
and natural course of events,...Christ is the Son of Man, meaning that
his Father (the Eternal God!) is a Holy Man." (Mormon Doctrine, by
Bruce McConkie, page 742.)
In relation to the
way in which I look upon the works of God and his creatures, I will say
that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also my Savior
Jesus Christ. According to the Scriptures, he is the first begotten of
his father in the flesh, and there was nothing unnatural about it. —Heber
C. Kimball, Journal of discourses, 8:211
'Now Remember from this time forth, and forever, that Jesus
Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. ...But what do the
people in Christendom, with the Bible in their hands, know but this
subject? Comparatively Nothing."(Brigham Young, Journal
of Discourses, Vol. 1:50-51)
"Christ was begotten of God. He was NOT born without the aid of
man and that man was God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1:18)
"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints proclaims that
Jesus Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sense. The body in
which He performed His mission in the flesh was sired
by that same Holy Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father. Jesus
was not the son of Joseph, nor was He begotten by the Holy
Ghost" (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg.7).
Now try paying attention Junior
: )
Begotten has nothing at all
to do with the birth of Jesus, folks. Good thing I stick around or some of you would really get confused !!
Jd
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:10:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter
Chidren are NOT Begotten in a Test Tube.
Jesus was the ONLY Begotten of the Father!
QUESTION
How are Children Begotten????????
Can you answer this DaveH?
Dean Moore <cd_moore@earthlink.net>
wrote:
. cd: Daveh you big cry baby-Claiming I am a
liar after all the back
stabbing comments-By your standards then- when have I ever back
stabbed-show me proof or ask for forgiveness. As I understand the
below-the
union between God and Mary was natural-then you say it was a genetic
test
tube type babby-Then your
prophet (seer)Orson Pratt whom Mormons claim are
never wrong (remember the brain washing of having to repeat over and
over
"the prophet is never wrong") said she wasn't a virgin. Have you ever
heard
of blasphemy(ie.accusing God of
sin)?You and your cult are full of poop you
are a stench in the nostrils of God -a "fart"
best describes you and your
cult.
> >
> >The birth of the Saviour
was as natural as are the births of our
children;
> >it was the result of natural action
(though not necessarily sexual) whereby
> >the genetic makeup of our Heavenly Father was combined with
Mary's
genetic makeup to bring forth a child in as natural a fashion as
science now
> >teaches.
> >
> LDS theology teaches that
Mary was a virgin.
> >
> > > >considering how LDS
folks think or believe.
> >
> > Probably the most extremely opinionated person quoted was Orson
Pratt in The Seer, which was a highly speculative book based on OP's opinions.
> >Despite being an LDS
leader, his opinions are no subs titute for official
> >doctrine, which is found in the Standard Works.
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