WORDS OF PROPHETS ARE NOT JUST THERE OPINIONS, THEY ARE SCRIPTURE
FOURTEEN FUNDAMENTALS IN FOLLOWING THE PROPHETS
By PRESIDENT Ezra Taft Benson
BYU Devotional Assembly
Tuesday, February 26, 1980, 10:00 a.m.
Full speech - http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/followingthebrethren.htm
"SIXTH: The Prophet Does Not Have to Say "Thus Saith the Lord" to Give Us Scripture. Sometimes there are those who haggle over words. They might say the prophet gave us counsel but that we are not obligated to follow it unless he says it is a commandment. But the Lord says of the Prophet, "Thou shalt give heed unto all his words and commandments which he shall give unto you." (D&C 21:4.) And speaking of taking counsel from the Prophet, in D&C 108:1, the Lord states: "Verily thus saith the Lord unto you, my servant Lyman: Your sins are forgiven you, because you have obeyed my voice in coming up hither this morning to receive counsel of him whom I have appointed." Said Brigham Young, "I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call scripture." (JD 13:95.)"
FOURTEEN FUNDAMENTALS IN FOLLOWING THE PROPHETS
By PRESIDENT Ezra Taft Benson
BYU Devotional Assembly
Tuesday, February 26, 1980, 10:00 a.m.
Full speech - http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/followingthebrethren.htm
"SIXTH: The Prophet Does Not Have to Say "Thus Saith the Lord" to Give Us Scripture. Sometimes there are those who haggle over words. They might say the prophet gave us counsel but that we are not obligated to follow it unless he says it is a commandment. But the Lord says of the Prophet, "Thou shalt give heed unto all his words and commandments which he shall give unto you." (D&C 21:4.) And speaking of taking counsel from the Prophet, in D&C 108:1, the Lord states: "Verily thus saith the Lord unto you, my servant Lyman: Your sins are forgiven you, because you have obeyed my voice in coming up hither this morning to receive counsel of him whom I have appointed." Said Brigham Young, "I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call scripture." (JD 13:95.)"
"ELEVENTH: The Two Groups Who Have The Greatest Difficulty in Following The Prophet Are The Proud Who Are Learned And The Proud Who Are Rich. The learned may feel the prophet is only inspired when he agrees with them, otherwise the prophet is just giving his opinion--speaking as a man."
The LDS Church manual "Gospel Principles" clearly states that the inspired words of the living prophet are supposed to be accepted as scripture by Latter-day Saints. "In addition to these 4 books of scripture, the inspired words of our living prophets become scripture to us. Their words come to us through conferences, church publications and instructions to local priesthood leaders." - Gospel Principles, p.51-52
Is this NOT a claim for AUTHORITY?
"God made Aaron to be the mouthpiece for the children of Israel, and He will make me be god to you in His stead" Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.363
THROW OUT THE OLD TRUTHS, WE HAVE NEWER TRUTH!
The 1997 Priesthood Manual "Teachings of the Presidents of the Church", contains prolific quotes from many early Mormon publications.
If LDS leaders believe that the Old prophets are unreliable then they need to stop quoting them, and admit that the "prophets" are capable of leading ASTRAY!
Do you see where this leads? If statements that a Mormon doesnt want to accept can be brushed off as private opinions; without any other authority than that individual mormons opinion, then so can other statements. If declarations that make the church look bad are mere opinions, so are statements that make the church look good. If a General Authority said something that the Mormon doesnt believe and it was just that mans opinion, then the things that the Mormon does believe are also just someones opinion Robert McKay The Evangel, January/February 1996, pg. 8
THROW OUT THE OLD TRUTHS, WE HAVE NEWER TRUTH!
The 1997 Priesthood Manual "Teachings of the Presidents of the Church", contains prolific quotes from many early Mormon publications.
If LDS leaders believe that the Old prophets are unreliable then they need to stop quoting them, and admit that the "prophets" are capable of leading ASTRAY!
Do you see where this leads? If statements that a Mormon doesnt want to accept can be brushed off as private opinions; without any other authority than that individual mormons opinion, then so can other statements. If declarations that make the church look bad are mere opinions, so are statements that make the church look good. If a General Authority said something that the Mormon doesnt believe and it was just that mans opinion, then the things that the Mormon does believe are also just someones opinion Robert McKay The Evangel, January/February 1996, pg. 8
The Church and missionaries have no problem quoting this material but when it is quoted in a negative light for the Church they protest. You can not have it both ways. The fact is that the TRUTH changes with every new "prophet" this is the natural outcome of "new revelation" There is NO FINAL AUTHORITY in Mormonism.
If a "detractor" quotes it is to be dismissed, if the church quotes it is to be trusted?
Is this your standard for TRUTH?
Jeremiah 17:5 Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm.
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
cd:The Mormons claim that their prophets are always correct.
DAVEH: ??? Who, when and in what context was such a claim made, Dean??? Maybe you have us mixed up with the RCC folks, who believe in the infallibility of the pope. We (LDS) have no such illusions. Our leaders are fallible.
Dean Moore wrote:----- Original Message -----From:Sent: 10/22/2005 11:30:34 AMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matterYes, I do see the point. But did he make this statement ? Did he make this statement as a prophet of God? Is this a statement of faith for the Mormon religion? The prophets of old were not inspired in their daily comings and goings. I am sure they spoke and id things that were not in line with truth or even practicalities.Jdcd:The Mormons claim that their prophets are always correct.I am not aware of any true prophet in the bible making any outrageous claims-it you know of any I would like see your info.God is known for truth so are his men-yet we are seen as liars and their lies as truth-especially by those whom claim Christianity. You know the 'God loves everybody crowd'. Yet Adam Clark (A very powerful evangelist circuit rider)said that in all his years of preaching he knew of only one person to come to God after hearing the love message-Preaching fear of God led to many repenting to Christ.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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