[TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

[Dave Hansen]

I must respectfully observe that trying to reason with mormons is a complete waste of time DAVEH:   I'm sorry you feel that way, Izzy.  You asked specific questions, and I answered them.  Apparently you have not read all my posts to TT, as I discussed in a reply to Perry a few days ago about what JS really was reputed to have said, instead of what Dean was claiming he said.  As for trying to squirm out of anything, I find there are some people who lie in wait to use whatever I say against me.  I'm not afraid to share my beliefs with those who sincerely want to know what they are, but I'm not so stupid (I hope) to intentionally say things that others will use as a target painted on my chest.       If you or anybody else considers this to be proof of the demonic nature of mormonism, I would instead suggest you ponder whether it might more accurately reflect the demonic nature of of those who attempt to deceive by purposely posting incorrect information and then stubbornly refusing to apologize after it is shown to be a lie. DaveH, I must respectfully observe that trying to reason with mormons is a complete waste of time—which is why I do not bother.  The ridiculous issues that arise, the squirming out from under the evidence against it w/o ever admitting to it, the endless arguing and contention w/o any resolution, and the vulgarity of the issues discussed are proof of the demonic nature of mormonism and of the futility of trying to reason with anyone steeped in it.  Case closed.  Move on class.  izzy     DAVEH:  Yes, I read it, and discussed it on TT already.  I do not know if the person relating the story heard it correctly, understood it correctly or related it exactly as he heard it.  Since he seems to be the only source who relates it, it does seem as though JS did not go around preaching such, or there would have been others who would have mentioned it in their journals as well.     Like I explained a day or so ago....who knows, JS may have been tickling the guys ribs, but unbeknownst to him, Oliver Huntington (I think that was his name) may have been taking him too seriously.  ShieldsFamily wrote: Did you read the quotation that was furnished about JS teaching that there were 6 ft tall men living on the moon, wearing Quaker-type clothing, DaveH?  Who was lying about that, the mormon who quoted him or JS himself? iz     DAVEH:   Thank you for asking, Izzy.  That is correct....I don't believe JS said such.  From the quotes I've seen posted on TT, and the websites I've seen that discuss it, and my independent search.....No, I have not seen any evidence, nor do I believe that JS said that there were 7 foot Quakers on the moon.    I think Dean incorrectly remembered or imagined something he heard, and posted it on TT as fact, when it is obviously false. ShieldsFamily wrote: That’s what I did.  I asked you.  So you don’t believe that JSmith really said that? iz     DAVEH:   Not that I am aware of, Izzy.  Dean brought it up as though I believed it....but I don't.  I'm not sure where Dean is getting his info, as it doesn't quite coincide with Perry's explanation.  It does seem though that Dean is intent on spreading misinformation about what I believe.     So....IF you have a question about what I believe, I'd recommend you ask me directly instead of assuming that what anti-Mormons say is correct and in context with LDS doctrine. ShieldsFamily wrote: DaveH, give us the lowdown—are there 7 foot quackers on the moon or not??? iz     The answers DH has given in this post should end the matters under discussion.   I would agree, that after whatever happened to Mary to bring the fetus that would be God/man into existencem the development and birth of that infant was quite natural.    If DH believes more than what he said, well, he didn't say it in this post.  What as been written, is clear enough.    After the birth of Christ,   Mary was still a virgin.   Surely we all believe this  !!   Church leaders often speak from their personal convictions.    7 ft Quakers is a part of this discussion because  ....................................?   I would say  that whatever the reason,  DH is not a co-believer in the Quaker theory.     How can anyone believe in 7 Quakers?   For the same reason one might believe that King James was the first Evangelical or that the KJV is inspired AS A TRANSLATION or that the Law is still in full effect as an attachment to our salvation or ....................................well , you get the point, no?    In debate, one does not need to disprove something that has not been evidenced.   And, certainly, not to one's "satisfaction."   One of the greatest rock n roll bands of all time sings  "can't get no satisfaction."    And that seems to be the path taken in the Dean-o  ,,.......... DH  discussion.     JD -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... 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