Dave,
In my response below I intentionally used hyperbole to point out the fact
that, while you appear to apologize on the surface, your "apology" is really
full of further insults, negating any veiled attempt at an apology.
I guess there is no accounting for your bad and biased memory. You know
the archives are almost impossible to navigate for anything more than a few
weeks old, and I do not keep old messages. More than once I have seen you
rely on that to conveniently "forget" things.
I fully understood, and understand, the nuance of asking what someone is
smoking, but I still was offended by that. The interesting thing here, and
what this experiement in hyperbole has pointed out, is that even when you
know someone is offended by a bad joke you made, you cannot offer a sincere
apology. You feign an apology and use it to mask further insults. I call
that "sly".
Yes, I have leaned hard on your faith. As I pointed out before, I will rebut
Satan, regardless of from which camp he enters this forum. I see the
footprint of Satan all over what JS has wrought. Until you open up to the
Hioly Spirit, denounce this satanically inspired cult, and accept the God
and Jesus of the Bible, there is no hope for you.
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By the way, care to tell the forum why you guys raise your arms "to the
square" and chant "Pay Lay Ale" three times? Do you know what that means?
From http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/templeofthegodmakers.htm:
"If you are still not sure if they pray to the false god or the true God,
did you know that the chant has been changed? Until just before 1930, they
chanted "Pale hale hale" or "Pale ale ale." What a coincidence! The direct
Hebrew translation of "Pele Heylel" is "Marvelous Lucifer"!(4)
There is something strange going on in Joe's house, David.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:23:37 -0700
*Dave, you just don't quit, do you.*
DAVEH: That's right Perry.......It's one of my weaknesses. I don't quit
as long as others keep pushing.
*Now you are implying that I am not a clear thinking American. Nice jab*
DAVEH: It does seem that way, eh! Look at what you said to John about
my smoking sarcasm.....
/ Sure, yes, of course I knew Dave was using it as a gest, John. But not
all tongue-in-cheek humor is appreciated. While you may get a chuckle out
of it, I do not particularly like being equated to a drug user, even as a
gest.
How about if I asked you, in gest of course, "Hey, John, do you still
beat your wife?". Now, that is a joke, right? Or is it? I don't know, but I
do know that you MAY not like it, and you MAY be offended by it. Right?
It also depends on who is doing the joking. If it a close friend that I
can trust, and we have a rapport for joking in that vein, then I know
exactly what they mean. But, if it is someone that has been sly and hostile
in the past to me, why should I not consider the comment as hostile, or a
veiled jab?/
.........Now Perry......how many TTers do you think view *your *above
comment as a *clear thinking*??? May I suggest..../none/! You are
certainly an American, but I wouldn't think there would be very many
Americans who do not understand the /what have you been smoking /nuance.
And I bet there isn't a single TTer who did not understand it, even those
who might be half-witted. And IMO, those who are offended by it aren't
*clear thinking* either. BTW...Thank you for the compliment.....I believe
you deserved it.
*No we are incapable of understanding a gest? I know it is was a gest, I
just found it to be tasteless, offensice, and unwelcome.*
DAVEH: You say that as if I haven't found any of *your *comments about my
beliefs *to be tasteless, offensice, and unwelcome.* Why is it different
when the
shoe is on the other foot?
*
It is not that I am so sensitive, it is that you have not earned to right
to joke that way with me. *
DAVEH: Ohhhhhhhh.....that is priceless, Perry!!! :-D
*That is like me saying, "I did not call you a wife beater, I just asked,
'Do you still beat your wife?' (in gest, of course). Nice try, Dave. *
DAVEH: FWIW.....I haven't beat her since I started beating the dog.
*Nice try, *Perry. ;-)
*Now we are half-witted...or less than half witted? We can't even
understand as much as a half-witted kid? You are a true apologizer, Dave! *
DAVEH: You've certainly proved my point, Perry.
*I don't think Dean was joking when he called you a pagan, and I happen to
agree with him, that those who follow the mormon faith are pagans, not
knowing the God and Jesus of the Bible, folowing occultic rituals and
worshipping a flase god. How do you define 'pagan'?*
DAVEH: Of course he wasn't joking. I did not read it as a joke, and he
didn't indicate it to be a joke. I'm sure he was just as serious as you
are now being serious. From
<http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/pagan........
++++++++++++++++++
Definitions: Pagan
Pagan
Adjective
1. Not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam.
Noun
1. A person who does not acknowledge your God.
Source: WordNet 1.7.1 Copyright © 2001 by Princeton University. All rights
reserved.
++++++++++++++++++
.........I respectfully disagree with your conclusion, Perry.
*And, when I called you "sly" a few months back you did not
complain...until someone else said they thought it was an ad-hom. Boy, you
sure jumped on the bandwagon at that point...I apologized, and you, taking
advantage of the situation, flogged me for days over that one, while at the
same time refusing to apologize for an injustice you had committed. *
DAVEH: You've lost me on this one, Perry. I responded to your above
claim in a parallel post tonight, and will await your proof of guilt before
offering an apology. I really do not remember giving you a bad time about
the sly comment. IF I did, I'll sincerely apologize. After the time that
you had apologized to me, I thought I said nothing more about it.
As for the injustice I committed.....All I can remember you taking
offense at is calling you what you are....an anti-Mormon. You fit the
accepted definition, so why apologize? It wasn't meant to demean, but
merely to distinguish you from others who are not LDS, and not anti-Mormon.
*Notice that you word it so that it is not your problem you offended me, it
is my problem...my "sensitivities" *
DAVEH: Welllllll, Perry.........Betwixt the two of us, you do seem to be
the one who is ultra sensitive. So....yeah, it is your problem.
Especially since you are a member of TT who has had little reservation
against dumping on Mormon TTers.
*After reading the above "apology", why do I get the feeling that you are
not apologiing, but turning this into an opportunity to further demean Dean
and I?*
DAVEH: What Dean recently said of me.......
*/you big cry baby/*
.........might more appropriately be applied to you, Perry.
_*You just don't stop, do you? *_
DAVEH: That's right Perry....you just might want to remember that in the
future.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
*Dave, you just don't quit, do you.* In your statements below you appear
to apologize, while continuing to abase my character...get this...
DAVEH: I'm sorry you feel that way, Perry. I thought it to be pretty
well understood my most clear thinking Americans that asking that
(smoking) question is a joking way to point out the ludicrousness of what
they said.
*Now you are implying that I am not a clear thinking American. Nice jab*.
It was not at all intended to imply that either you or Dean were
dopers.....just that your claims are pretty wild, as if you can't discern
reality. My apologies if I failed to convey that message so that you
(and Dean) could understand it.
*No we are incapable of understanding a gest? I know it is was a gest, I
just found it to be tasteless, offensice, and unwelcome.*
BTW.........I pretty much know that both you and Dean are stone cold
sober, but I fail to understand why you are so sensitive.
*
It is not that I am so sensitive, it is that you have not earned to right
to joke that way with me. *
I did not call either of you a doper....I just asked what you were
smoking.
*That is like me saying, "I did not call you a wife beater, I just asked,
'Do you still beat your wife?' (in gest, of course). Nice try, Dave. *
The proper answer had you wanted to give it would have been,
"nothing".....to clear the smoke from the air.
Now it is my problem for not giving the right answer...and "clear the
smoke from the air"...another bad joke, Dave. _*You just don't stop, do
you? *_
Instead, both of you apparently have taken offense, assuming the opposite
of what any half-witted kid would fully understand.
*Now we are half-witted...or less than half witted? We can't even
understand as much as a half-witted kid? You are a true apologizer, Dave!
*
Yet, Dean called me a pagan and you did not utter a peep as far as I
know. As you know, I've got a pretty thick skin, and have come to expect
such from some TTers, so I don't feel the need to cry foul at the ad hom.
I just find it interesting that you guys can dish it out, but seem to
get all confused and choke on that which is returned.....even when it is
a joke.
*I don't think Dean was joking when he called you a pagan, and I happen to
agree with him, that those who follow the mormon faith are pagans, not
knowing the God and Jesus of the Bible, folowing occultic rituals and
worshipping a flase god. How do you define 'pagan'?*
Now, when he equated you to flatulence, I was offended, but I let John
handle it since he has been mothering the group lately, and I think he did
a fine job. So, I did not intervene.
*And, when I called you "sly" a few months back you did not
complain...until someone else said they thought it was an ad-hom. Boy, you
sure jumped on the bandwagon at that point...I apologized, and you, taking
advantage of the situation, flogged me for days over that one, while at
the same time refusing to apologize for an injustice you had committed. *
FTR......Again I apologize for damaging your sensitivities, Perry.
*Notice that you word it so that it is not your problem you offended me,
it is my problem...my "sensitivities" *
*After reading the above "apology", why do I get the feeling that you are
not apologiing, but turning this into an opportunity to further demean
Dean and I?*
Perry
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