Dave,
Perhaps my question has not been clear...
What does "Pay Lay Ale" mean?
If we are going to do business your way than lay your cards face up on
the table.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:08:13 -0700
DAVEH: Sure, I do understand why you think the way you do about
Mormonism, Perry. But from my perspective, seeing, understanding,
experiencing and believing differently than the accusations you've made, I
think your sources are either wrong, or biased to the point of leading
others away from the truth....or, in the worst case scenario (or perhaps in
combination) you are being led by something other than the spirit of the
Lord.
Like I previously said, when somebody claims I believe one way, and I
know that I actually believe another, then I question how accurate the rest
of what is claimed by that person. Now Perry....do *you *understand why I
don't have much confidence in your anti-Mormon claims?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
No problem, Dave. Even though I love mormons, you can call me whatever you
like. It is mormonISM that I have a problem with. Besides, there are
plenty of websites and books, many written by ex-mormons who speak
honestly about these things, on which I can rely for the truth.
So, based on what I have learned from websites and books I have read,
mormons invoke the name of Satan in their temple ritual.
Do you uinderstand why I see the footprint of Satan on mormonism? And this
is just one little footprint...I have encountered many. I am not asking
you if you agree with my assessment...I am only asking if you understand
why I think the way I do about mormonism and Satan.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:04:57 -0700
*
I am being serious here, and am coming to you for the truth. You often
say that if i want to know what mormons believe, then ask a mormon.*
DAVEH: The problem is that you are an anti-Mormon, Perry. Trying to
discuss LDS theology with an anti-Mormon is worse than futile, as it is
your goal to denigrate the things in which I believe.
If I were to deny the *Pay Lay Ale* accusation below, would you
believe me? I doubt it. Even if you did, it would just lead you to ask
other things in an effort to find a way to criticize and accuse. For
you to even suggest you are* coming to you for the truth* makes me
question your sincerity in wanting to know anything about LDS theology.
Your past actions betray your intent, IMO.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
*
I am being serious here, and am coming to you for the truth. You
often say that if i want to know what mormons believe, then ask a
mormon.*
Why do you guys raise your arms "to the square" and chant "*Pay Lay
Ale*" three times? Do you know what that means? You see, I found on the
following web page
From http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/templeofthegodmakers.htm:
(and have read in other books and web pages with similar statements)
that contained the following:
"If you are still not sure if they [mormons] pray to the false god or
the true God, did you know that the chant has been changed? Until just
before 1930, they chanted "Pale hale hale" or "Pale ale ale." What a
coincidence! The direct Hebrew translation of "Pele Heylel" is
"Marvelous Lucifer"!(4)
Can you see why I interpret things like this as being the footprint
of Satan? Now, as a momron, perhaps you can explain to me what "Pay Lay
Ale" really means, and why it might have been changed in 1930. Weren't
the words of the ceremony inspired by god? If so, then why the changes?
Perry
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