And what in the world is a Cardinal in 1524 doing talking about something that did not exist at that time, but was over 100 years in the future?
Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dave, you say, "........assuming the above website is correct." If it is not
can we accuse you spreading lies?
>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know
>Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:51:03 -0800
>
>DAVEH: Seems to me that the Southern Baptists may be able to trace their
>roots to the Rev Wm Screven........
>
>The Church was founded in 1682 and originally organized in Kittery, Maine
>by the Rev. William Screven.
>
>......according to.......
>
>http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/charleston/bap.htm
>
>........assuming the above website is correct.
>
>Kevin Deegan wrote:
>
>>*How can they possibly claim Apostolic succession, when they did not
>>exist?*
>>
>>
>>*As far as the Baptists:*
>>
>>*200Cardinal Hosius (Catholic, 1524), President of the Council of Trent:*
>>
>>"Were it not that the baptists have been grievously tormented and cut off
>>with the knife during the past twelve hundred years, they would swarm in
>>greater number than all the Reformers." (Hosius, /Letters, Apud Opera/,
>>pp. 112, 113.)
>>
>>
>>
>>/*The "twelve hundred years" were years PRECEDING the Reformation and the
>>Protestants! */
>>
>>*Sir Isaac Newton:* "The Baptists are the only body of known Christians
>>that have never symbolized with Rome."
>>
>>
>>
>>*Mosheim (Lutheran historian):* "Before the rise of Luther and Calvin,
>>there lay secreted in almost all the countries of Europe persons who
>>adhered tenaciously to the principles of modern Dutch Baptists."
>>
>>
>>
>>*/Edinburg Cyclopedia/ (Presbyterian):* "It must have already occurred to
>>our readers that the Baptists are the same sect of Christians that were
>>formerly described as Ana-Baptists. Indeed this seems to have been their
>>leading principle from the time of Tertullian to the present time."
>>
>>
>>
>>/*Tertullian was born just fifty years after the death of the Apostle
>>John!*/
>>
>>
>>
>>Don't most churches have a founder? Ask any number of churches who founded
>>them.
>>
>>Ask a Methodist, John Wesley
>>
>>Ask a Mormon Joe Smith
>>
>>Ask a Catholic Peter the "pope"
>>
>>Ask a Lutheran Martin Luther
>>
>>Ask a baptist I doubt he will answer Roger Williams! LOL
>>
>>Who founded the baptist church?
>>
>>
>>*/Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>>
>> *What if I gave you a list of Successive heads of the Baptist
>> church going all the way back to John the Baptist?*
>>
>> DAVEH: Can that be done?
>>
>> You and I both agree regarding the RCC claim. But, at least
>> they lay some claim to a historical right to the priesthood
>> authority. Do you know of another religion that makes a similar
>> claim?
>>
>> Kevin Deegan wrote:
>>
>>> I don't accept fairy tales.
>>> *What if I gave you a list of Succesive heads of the Baptist
>>> church going all the way back to John the Baptist?* We would need
>>> to have a history of that Church to go along with the names.
>>> As far as Peter how did he become a Pope? There is absolutely no
>>> history that the RCC can point to.
>>>
>>> */Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>>>
>>> DAVEH: Did not the early apostles (mentioned in the Bible)
>>> possess the authority of God? Do you know of any who you are
>>> certain had the authority as was given by the Lord who lived
>>> after they (the Biblical apostles) died?
>>>
>>> The RCC folks claim the authority as given to Peter was
>>> then handed down to the popes through the centuries, and can
>>> presumably name them all. I assume you do not accept that
>>> lineage of authority though. I am curious why you would not
>>> accept it though?
>>>
>>> Kevin Deegan wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am interested to see how DH's General Apostacy theory
>>>> holds water after seeing these facts.
>>>> Where was the break in authority DH?
>>>> Who was the last group to Hold it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> */David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kevin wrote:
>>>> >> Besides there was NO Catholic Church in 30AD.
>>>> >> The RCC came along generations later.
>>>>
>>>> CD wrote:
>>>> > Correct Kevin somewhere around 400 ad.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, the Roman Catholic Church came into existence
>>>> in 1054, when it
>>>> split away from the churches of the East. About 500
>>>> years later it
>>>> splintered into the various Protestant groups.
>>>>
>>>> Peace be with you.
>>>>
>
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