CONTEXT Dave read THE WHOLE PAGE!
Context is very important.
"The Young Woman's Journal", an LDS magazine of the 1890s. The article is dated "Feb 6, 1892". http://www.lds-mormon.com/moon.shtml
the Mormon church had its own official and semiofficial publications, including the Sunday Schools' Juvenile Instructor (1866-1970), renamed the Instructor in 1930; the British mission's Millennial Star (1840-1970); and the women's Young Women's Journal (1889-1929) ...
The site YOU postwed says the predecessor was:
The Young Women organization began as the Cooperative retrenchment association in November 1869. President Brigham Young organized the society in the Lion House, his official residence in Salt Lake City
(ATTENDING was BY's daughter Susa Young Gates)
It was later called YL
In 1871 the leaders renamed the society "YL," short for Young Ladies Retrenchment Association.
(The Prophets daughter) Susa Young Gates had personally published a magazine called Young Woman's Journal and now gave one-third of its space to the YL organization.
Some other interesting quotes from the page:
The first general conference for the YLNMIA was held April 4, 1880
In 1929 President Heber J. Grant was editor
Susan Young Gates issued the Young Women's Journal which focused on literary development, health, hygiene, and home management. Sales of the journal raised funds which contributed to book acquisitions for the M.I.A library located in the Church's headquarters. These funds helped to cover the expense of sending a representative from the Y.L.M.I.A to the National Women's Council meeting held March 25, 1888, in Washington, D.C. Even further, monies from the journal sales and general Church funds provided for the printing of study manuals which were distributed annually and focused on theology, history, human physiology, and hygiene.
Sources: Gates, Susan Young. History of the Young Ladies' Mutual Improvement Association of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints,
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Again Young Woman's Journal was an OFFICIAL Church publication
DAVEH: ??? Huh?.......Where did you get that, Kevin? I don't know why I bother discussing LDS matters with you....especially after I said that I wouldn't do so further. But you just keep sucking me in....! If you continue making this stuff up, few other than Dean are going to continue believing you! ;-)
This........
Supportive efforts were developed. Susa Young Gates had personally published a magazine called Young Woman's Journal and now gave one-third of its space to the YL organization. A guide for all YL groups was printed, containing lessons and instructions for the girls and leaders and even ideas for beautifying the meeting places with pretty cloths and flowers. Typical lesson outlines included "What is the meaning of the word "Chastity'?" and "Why have you not the right to take the pin comb out of your sister's drawer?" A favorite couplet became: "One cheerful face in a household will keep everything brightput envy, selfishness, despondency to shame and flight." Tuesday night became "Mutual" night for both boys and girls. The weekly talent programs, preceding separate lesson sessions for Young Ladies and Young Men, attracted large groups of young people, including many of other faiths.
.........was copied from this website......
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/organization/Young_Women_EOM.htm
........Please note that it was a privately published magazine.
I'll repeat myself, Kevin.....it would be far better if you would ask what Mormons believe, rather than tell us what we believe.
FWIW........GAs (General Authorities of the Church) often times quote material from non official publications when they feel it is true and/or appropriate. If you've read much material written by them, you'll have noticed they even quote Protestants on occasion. Please don't think for a second that such recognition is an endorsement that everything a Protestant (or anybody else) says is 100% correct.
Kevin Deegan wrote:Again Young Woman's Journal was an OFFICIAL Church publication it was not printed in some cave! The organization "Young Ladies' Mutual Improvement Associations of Zion" was OVERSEEN by church officials what is the problem with your documents? Just opinions that can't be trusted because they contradict current theology?Why do Church authorities & publications continue to use these discounted sources that you have Identified? Maybe you should notify headquaters? Doesn't this GA know he should not be using the Young Womens Journal as it is just an opinion?To Young Women
Elder Jeffrey R. Holland Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
Where he quotes a portion of:James E. Talmage, "The Eternity of Sex," Young Woman's Journal, Oct. 1914, 602.it was n ot a joke, here it is in context.
http://www.utlm.org/images/changingworld/chwp24textimage.gifSimilar items exist in his journal. Here is Brigham from a JoD SERMON:With all the VISITS that joe had from SPACE MEN, I see no problem with sending Missionaries to the Moon etc.(Space Men: John the Baptist, Peter, James, John, Moses, Elijah, Elias, Michael, Raphael, Nephi, Moroni, Mormon )
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Judy Taylor wrote:DAVEH: I find it interesting that you believe what Dean told you about this instead of me, Judy. FTR.......Oliver Huntington's journal is NOT a part of LDS theology. As I've explained before, OBH is the only guy I know of who claimed JS said such. (That OBH's statement was quoted in Young Woman's Journal certainly does not qualify as an endorsement.) Whether he (JS) was doing it as a joke, or whether OBH fully understood or remembered what JS said....that's hard to say. From what I know about JS, he was above joshing somebody with a story like that.On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:20:16 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:Is this really part of accepted Mormon doctrine?
DAVEH: No Judy, it is not part of Mormon Doctrine. It is just that some anti-Mormon folks want people to think it is a part of our theology.I don't think so Daveh; here is a third quote by one Al Roy who left Mormonism. All of these ppl quote your own writings which rather than disprove - validates what Dean has been saying .....
If you read BY's comment, you will notice that he is simply speculating......
Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is
.........which hardly qualifies as definitive doctrine.
Regarding MEN ON THE MOON, Oliver B. Huntington said,"The INHABITANTS OF THE MOON are more of a uniform size than those of the earth, being about 6 feet in height. They dress very much like the quaker style and are quite general in style, or fashion of dress. They live to be very old; coming generally, near a thousand years. This is the description of them as given by Joseph the seer, and he could see whatever he asked the father in the name of Jesus to see." And that was from the Journal of Oliver B. Huntington. Vol. 3, page 166.
Brigham Young added this to Joseph Smith's teaching: "Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?...
"when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it." From the Journal of Discourses, vol.13, page 271).
Now, Brigham did use the words, I rather think, so Ill let him get away with that one, rather than say that he said it in his official capacity as a Mormon prophet. But it should still serve as a wake up call to you, my dear Mormon.
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