If you are interested only in what protestants think, then perhaps
you are on the wrong forum.
DAVEH: Why is that, Perry? Do you think Protestants should be
excluded from TT? Or do you just think there are no Protestants here?
Even if there were none, I would think that some TTers would have a
better idea of what Protestants believe and why they believe such than
I do.
I would be curious to know who in TT does not consider themselves
to be Protestant though. So......may I ask for TTers to weigh in on
the following questions:
1) Do you feel you are a part of the religious segment commonly
referred to as Protestant?
2) Do you belong to a specific denomination (Protestant or not), and
if so which one?
3) Do you feel you are totally independent of Protestantism, or do you
feel a comfortable with many Protestant beliefs?
You may be right, Perry. If you aren't a Protestant, and don't
know what they believe, there really isn't much reason for me to quiz
you any further about Protestantism.....other than I would be
interested in seeing how you respond to the above questions.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
If you are interested only in what protestants think, then
perhaps you are on the wrong forum. WILL EVERYONE ON THE FORUM WHO
CONSIDERS ONESELF A "PROTESTANT" PLEASE TELL DAVE SO HE CAN DIRECT HIS
QUESTIONS AT YOU? While the fellowships I attend may have stemmed from
the protestant movement, I do not consider myself a "protestant", per
se, even though I share some beliefs that protestants have...but I
consider myself a member of the Body of Christ, the "church universal".
It transcends all man-made denominations and sects and relies on
scripture and not any particular tradition.
Perry
* Landmark Baptists believe they pre-date the Roman Catholic Church.*
DAVEH: Thank you for lending a little more insight, Perry.
FWIW........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Baptist_Church
.........WIKI has a little to say about it that clarifies what I think
Kevin has been implying. It seems.........
/The leaders of what would become known as the Landmark movement were
James Robinson Graves, James Madison Pendleton, and Amos Cooper Dayton
(sometimes called the Great Triumvirate)./
..........lived in the mid 19th Century and fostered the notion that
organization had its inception at the time of Jesus. Do you believe
that as they do, Perry? Or...do you believe they were founded by the
/Great Triumvirate/?
As you know, Perry.....my interest is in the Protestants. So, those
Baptists who lay claim to Protestant roots are those who I tend to cast
my focus. That there are small congregations or individuals who claim
not to be Protestant don't capture my attention at this point.
But....If there are Baptists who are rooted in Protestantism....that's
what I am curious about. So....that Kevin (or you) are referring to
small groups who are not associated with Protestantism is really not
pertinent to my interests.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave, do you consider the Wikipedia to be a
reliable source of truth? Who wrote the article? Who are these
"Christian church historians". Why is the word "protestant" in quotes?
This article has no credits and no citations. Why should it carry any
weight other than the fact that it mentions a few points you are trying
to make?
But, if you prefer Wikipedia for your source of truth, then perhaps you
should have read on...
"The name Protestant is rejected by some Baptists because Baptists do
not have a direct connection to Luther, Calvin or the Roman Catholic
Church. They do not feel that they are protesting anything and*
Landmark Baptists believe they pre-date the Roman Catholic Church.*
Other Baptists accept the Protestant label as a demographic concept
that describes churches who share similar theologies of sola scriptura,
sola fide, the priesthood of all believers and other positions that
Luther, Calvin and traditional reformers held in contrast to the Roman
Catholic Church in the 1500s."
Notice that first line?
On the other hand, I prefer the term "Christian" to any other
labels...those who are members of the Body of Christ, regardless of
from which tradition they come, what "denomination" of fellowship they
attend, and who get their truth from the Word of God. This may also
include personal revelation that is in line with Biblical truths and
principles. So, relying on heretical extra-biblical works produced by
or through a magic talisman bearing peep-stone treasure hunter
disqualifies one from the Body of Christ.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen
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Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:45:56 -0800
DAVEH: Did you not read the WIKI definition I previously provided,
Kevin? DavidM has subsequently provided this one, also from
WIKI........
/The word Anabaptism may be used to describe a "*Protestant*" group
baptizing Christians who were baptized in infancy and/or who come to
them from other bodies, any of the 16th century "radical" dissenters,
or the denominations descending from the followers of Menno Simons. The
use of the term Anabaptism does not necessarily imply claims to
uniformity between the groups thus denominated. Today the descendants
of the 16th century European movement (particularly the Amish,
Hutterites, & Mennonites) are the most common bodies referred to as
Anabaptist. Yet other bodies (such as the early English Baptists) were
also referred to by their enemies as Anabaptists, and are clearly
Anabaptists in the generally accepted sense of the term. The majority
of Baptists further engage in a practice others consider "rebaptizing"
in that they usually rebaptize even adult believers who were baptized
by some mode other than immersion. _Christian church historians
generally believe that there is no historical continuity between
anabaptists in the first few centuries of the Christianity and later
anabaptist groups._/
..........Does that not explain the situation? Modern day Baptists are
Protestants.
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