Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:37:31 -0800

 I asked "  ........   how is it that we have been perfected for ever and yet our sanctification is continuing?  "     You answer " The fact that we are perfected forever has been determined by the action of Jesus Christ. When god looks at us He sees Jesus. This is our Standing with God it is based on the Righteousness of Christ."   I couldn't agree more.   But it is not a full answer to my question.   As Bill has pointed out,  we are being sanctified by another (Christ, of course).   We agree that we have been perfected by another.   If we allow this participle to be passive and ongoing (present time) ,  what are the implications of THAT as it relates to  my own "perfection,"  to the fellowship of the saints,  to my own (and yours and et al) failings,  to the effect of Godly forgiven ess,  to the place and purpose of obedience  (if perfection  and sanctification are the works of another),  and to the full gospel message of the Indwelling?   A pretty powerful message is in this passage.  
 
 
 
Jd 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:35:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

The fact that we are perfected forever has been determined by the action of Jesus Christ. When god looks at us He sees Jesus. This is our Standing with God it is based on the Righteousness of Christ
 
When man looks at a christian he sees a different pic. This is called our State.
 
It sepends on how one looks at it.

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Certainly this is true.   I was hoping for some answers from Dean. 
 
As regards your answer, DH,   specifically,  how is it that we have been perfected for ever and yet our sanctification is continuing? 
 
JD
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:24:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

JD wrote:  > ... the KJV actually states that we have been  > "perfected for ever."  Do you argue that this  > translation is in error?  If not  --  and how could  > you  --  on what theological grounds could this  > statement be true since the action of sanctification  > is not yet completed?    The statement is true on the theological grounds of faith!    Romans 4:17-18  (17) (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before   him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and 
calleth those   things which be not as though they were.  (18) Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of   many nations,
 according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.    Peace be with you.  David Miller.     ----------  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how   you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org    If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend   who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and   he will be subscribed.

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