> [Original Message]
> From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Date: 11/25/2005 7:32:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] DaveH's Reply to the Controversy
>
>
> A totally arrogant and insensitive reply, in my opinion.
cd: The local people in the Blue Ridge Mountains call people that act in
this manner "A snake in the grass". As you better keep an eye on them.
>
> >From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: [TruthTalk] DaveH's Reply to the Controversy
> >Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:52:53 -0800
> >
> >*And I apologize to all, especially to DaveH for provoking him. *
> >
> >DAVEH: Thank you for your apology, Izzy.....But, as I'm sure you
already
> >know.....it is not necessary to apologize to me. (Though the thought
and
> >consideration is most appreciated.) I had taken absolutely no offense
at
> >all in what you had posted. And....I suspect that you took no offense
at
> >what I posted in reply. (If I am wrong about that, let me know and I'll
> >offer a sincere apology.)
> >
> > As for other TTers being offended.....that rather surprises me. As
> >Perry correctly surmised, my comments were all done in a humorous
> >tone........./While I am sure Dave is joking,/.....that was not intended
to
> >offend anybody. (I am mystified as to why anybody would take personal
> >offense at such humor anyway.) I was merely trying to keep the
> >conversation at the same level as those responding, while trying to make
a
> >point at the same time. That point is that many TTers seem to have a
> >double standard. On TT it is OK to publicly discuss and mock personal
> >things (whether they be religious ceremonies, religious clothing or even
> >sexual practices) of somebody who has a presumed inferior (from the
> >majorities perspective) belief or position in life. Some TTers even
brag
> >about their right to publicly ridicule and demean Mormons' beliefs and
> >practices, right at the doorstep of LDS religious gatherings. And what
> >further and truly amazes me, some TTers support their obnoxious actions,
> >regardless of how offensive they are to other people. Sure....it is
legal
> >for them to do that, but IF LDS people find their tactics and behavior
> >offensive, do those practicing such tactics and behavior ever back off
in
> >deference to the LDS folks' feelings???
> >
> > So.....when I publicly post some (what I consider, and I suspect a
few
> >others will agree to be) entertaining material in TT in reply to
questions
> >that were I to directly answer would undoubtedly bring ridicule and
> >derision, then why would anybody be offended? Did I attack anybody? If
> >not, then I did not violate any ad-hom rules?.....none! Were my posts
> >distasteful?.....No more than those who asked the questions, IMO and
also
> >in the opinion of some TTers without an ax to grind. I do not recall
using
> >any foul language, or obnoxious (shouting) mannerisms. I merely tried
to
> >respond politely, humorously and in kind to each post that was made
about
> >the discussion. Yes....I did try to /drag in/---as Perry put it in a
> >private post---others to illustrate the absurdity of what was being
> >discussed. Until your own ox is being gored, there is little
motivation
> >for some to get excited! :-)
> >
> > Yet is is apparent that a couple TTers have fairly thin skins and
took
> >offense at my comments related to them. If street preachers truly are
> >unable to discern humorous content, and have so little latitude for the
> >rights of others to use free speech that is not even lewd.....then how
do
> >they tolerate truly ugly behavior? It simply amazes me that some street
> >preachers demand the right to be obnoxious and irritate others without
> >regards to offending them, and then feign offense when somebody treats
them
> >far more respectfully in TT. (And in fairness to the street preachers
on
> >TT....I realize that not all have complained about what I have posted
> >here.....thank you for your tolerance....my comments are not directed
> >toward you.)
> >
> > Soooooo (excepting Izzy)........for those TTers who claimed offense
and
> >continue to believe........
> >
> >/*Dave owes an apology to all of us,*/
> >
> >..........because of what I directly said to or about them.....I view
you
> >as being big hypocritical *cry-babies*.....a term that was once used in
TT
> >to describe me, but seems much more applicable to some TTers who *whine*
> >all the time about how offensive I am. Buck-up folks. Most of you are
> >adults, and if you can't tolerate a Mormon boy's playful and tame
comments
> >that were made in an effort to diffuse a potentially unpleasant subject,
> >you're going to have big time trouble in the real world.
> >
> > In reviewing all the posts that came in today about this, I fail to
see
> >anything I said that would have directly or even indirectly attacked or
> >offended anybody. If you disagree, feel free to either post on TT your
> >reasons for disagreeing, or send them to me off-Forum. If you can show
me
> >where I /crossed over the line/ as Perry suggested, then I'll offer you
a
> >sincere apology.
> >
> > If on the other hand, you can get a laugh (or perhaps even crack a
> >smile) out of what has been posted regarding this matter, then I commend
> >you for avoiding the arrogant indignation trap. It is not my intention
(as
> >Judy implied) to bring discord to TT. If anything, I prefer to posture
my
> >posts to alleviate the tension here. That's why I use lots of smilies
to
> >help others know when I am joshing around for the sake of levity. For
> >those who took offense at what I posted, go back and look at the smilies
> >before you dig yourself deeper in a huff. Even Izzy knows how smilies
> >work. And, Dean has been known to use them often, but perhaps he
overlooks
> >them when reading others' comments. As for Perry....do you have a
single
> >funny bone in that body, Perry!?!?!?! ;-)
> >
> > In fairness to Perry....I realize that you are the moderator, and as
> >such cannot take everything quite a lightly as other TTers, especially
when
> >the problem pertains to another TTer. However, you did claim a personal
> >offense....which I view rather dimly.
> >
> > Welllllllll........I took a risk in posting the above, as our TT
> >moderator has privately cautioned (requested might be a better term)
that I
> >avoid continued discussion regarding this matter. However, I do believe
I
> >have a right to respond to the many comments that have been posted
today,
> >and I also believe there is a lesson to be learned in all this. And
that
> >lesson is the double standard that some TTers have. They can dish it
out
> >(as Izzy has been known to say), but they seem to have a problem when it
is
> >served up for their own consumption. If any of you want to hammer this
> >Mormon boy or his beliefs, that is your privilege and right. But then
> >don't complain when I fail to turn the other cheek....it is one of my
many
> >flaws! Nor should you get your noses bent out of shape over a few
humorous
> >comments.....it is unbecoming of a Christian to be so weak kneed! :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >ShieldsFamily wrote:
> >
> >>*And I apologize to all, especially to DaveH for provoking him. * Now
move
> >>on, Class! iz
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >--
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> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >http://www.langlitz.com
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