Do you have any examples of Spirit Bodies?
DAVEH: The Bible implies and describes several. Lk 24:37 tells us
that the apostles thought they had seen one. Jesus then explains to
them in verse 39 that they are not seeing a spirit, as a spirit does
not have flesh and bone. The implication is that a spirit looks like a
person, but does not have the flesh and bone component.
If you believe angel are spirits, then Heb 1:13 explains that some
people have entertained them, unaware that they are angels.
Apparently, angels look just like normal people. If those angels are
spirits, then the must look like people (with bodies), yet not have the
flesh and bone component. Do you disagree, Kevin?
And then there is the story of Lazarus....Lk 16:23. Not only did
he (as a spirit) see with his eye, but he beheld Abraham who was also a
spirit. Does not this accounting suggest that spirits have bodies,
though not necessarily of flesh and bone?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
In the OT, LDS belief is that
Jehovah=Jesus
Elohim=The Father
Then what about the SHEMA which says
Jehovah our Elohim is ONE Jehovah
A Spirit Body?
Did you just coin that word?
Please define it and send the results to Miriam Webster
And just what does a Spirit Body consist of?
Sounds like a square triangle to me.
Since the definition of spirit has to do with IMMATERIAL or the
state of being BODILESS, it is a oxymoron
Do you have any examples of Spirit Bodies?
Dave,
why are you arguing with Christians who many many times have told you
that we believe, from scripture, that God the Father is a Spirit?
DAVEH: Because Kevin begged the an answer to his question.......
If he is a MAN what is that man made of?
Gingerbread?
.........Then he quoted a passage to describe the Resurrected
Christ........
Lu 24:9 Behold my hands and my
feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit
hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
...........and then implied that I did not understand the difference
between blood and bone........
When he was resurrected He becam e Flesh & BONE (W hat
happened to the blood He is Not Spirit BUT He is also NOT Flesh &
Blood right now. He is Flesh & Bone)
.........I was merely trying to point out that nothing of what he
posted contradicts LDS theology, and in fact supports it. What you
and Kevin apparently fail to grasp is that the God of the OT was in
most instances Jesus who was (until his birth) a spirit being. That
would not preclude his Father of having a physical body of flesh and
bone at the same time Jesus possessed only a spirit body! Do you
disagree, Perry?
Do you see where I am going with this? As I understand it, you
believe that Jesus and his Father are two distinct persons....is that
correct? Then, cannot one of those entities (the Father) have a
physical body of flesh and bone at the same time as the other (Jesus)
has a spirit body, which is what I believe was the situation in the
OT? Does that scenario contradict anything in either your beliefs or
the doctrines of Protestantism as you understand them? To me, this is
a very important question which I've not heard addressed on TT. I'd be
interested in hearing your perspective, as well as that of other TTers.
When you continue to ask us over and over and over why we don't
think God the Father has flesh and bones, you are no longer trying to
learn, and are flat out ignoring what you have been told over and
over...at that point you are trying to convince us otherwise.
The reason I ask those same questions over and over is because most
who attempt to answer fail to understand my question. My above
explanation is about as simply put as I can state it, so I hope it will
finally sink in as to what I am asking.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave, why are you arguing with Christians who many ma
ny times have told you that we believe, from scripture, that God the
Father is a Spirit? You keep trying to argue with Christians on
that point, which you have asked and heard the answer over and over. If
you really want to know what "protestants" believe, then accept that
fact, and accept the scriptures that are repeatedly used to demonstrate
that to you. remeber, we get are facts from the Bible, not
extra-biblical heretical works.
When you continue to ask us over and over and over why we
don't think God the Father has flesh and bones, you are no longer
trying to learn, and are flat out ignoring what you have been told over
and over...at that point you are trying to convince us otherwise.
That is called proselytizing, which you claim you are not here to do!
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 06:55:22 -0800
_*If he is a MAN what is that man made of?*_
DAVEH: Jesus in his current resurrected state is /flesh and bone/, as
you correctly stated.......
_*Lu 24:9 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me,
and see; for a *spirit* hath not* flesh and bones*, as ye see me
have.*_
_*When he was resurrected He became Flesh & BONE (What happened to
the blood He is Not Spirit BUT He is also NOT Flesh & Blood right
now. He is Flesh & Bone)*_
...........So why did you feel the need to suggest the *Father is NOT
FLESH & BLOOD!!!!*.......it was not an issue.
However, since Jesus has a physical body of /flesh and bone/, then
it might give one reason to ponder whether or not his Father in heaven
might also be likewise composed.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
_*If he is a MAN what is that man made
of?*_
*Gingerbread?*
*/Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
*THEREFORE as you can see, the Father is NOT FLESH & BLOOD!!!!*
DAVEH: ??? Huh!?!?!?! Who said anything about the *Father
*being *FLESH & BLOOD*??? Why do you make this stuff up,
Kevin?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Of course He is God always was
God and if you do not think He is
God you will DIE IN YOUR SINS Jesus said so.
JN 8:24 if ye believe not that *I am* he, *ye shall die in your
sins*.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon
Barjona: for *flesh and blood* hath not revealed it unto thee,
*but my Father* which is in heaven.
The Father revealed it
Flesh & Blood did not reveal it
*THEREFORE as you can see, the Father is NOT FLESH & BLOOD!!!!*
** There are many verses talking about MAN that refer to Flesh
&
Blood Such as:
Hb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the *children* are *partakers of flesh
and blood*, he also himself *likewise took part of the same*;
that through death he might destroy him that had the power of
death, that is, the devil
N ow notice that Jesus partook of Flesh & Blood himself when He
became manifest IN the Flesh. Previous to this point he was not
manifest as Flesh & blood.
BUT
_*Lu 24:9 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself:
handle me, and see; for a *spirit* hath not* flesh and bones*, as
ye see me have.*_
_*When he was resurrected He became Flesh & BONE (What happened
to the blood He is Not Spirit BUT He is also NOT Flesh & Blood
right now. He is Flesh & Bone)*_
*/Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
*Anyone can se e the physical shell that surrounded God in
the FLESH*
DAVEH: So if that is the case, then why was not Moses
allowed to see God's face?
*How could a Mortal BODY contain ALL of the IMMORTAL
INVISIBLE OMNIPRESENT OMNISCIENT God?*
DAVEH: By becoming an immortal resurrected being, as did
Jesus. Do you believe Jesus currently has a physical body,
Kevin? And, do you believe he is fully God?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
*NO Contradiction DH.*
Jes us is the PHYSICAL representation of God who is an
INVISIBLE Spirit!
Just like no one but the High priest could go into the
Holy
of Holies in the Temple but once a year. Even the High
Priest would die if he broke rules.
Anyone could see the Temple shell that surrounds the Holy of
Holies
*Anyone can see the physical shell that surrounded God in
the FLESH*
It is His physical representation it is NOT his ESSENCE
We are told that the whole universe can not contain Go d.
*How could a Mortal BODY contain ALL of the IMMORTAL
INVISIBLE OMNIPRESENT OMNISCIENT God?*
It was just the EXPRESS Image or Representation of a
LIMITLESS God in a Limited TEMPLE of FLESH!
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http://www.langlitz.com
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