Such is my experience as well.
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From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:21:38 -0800
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Eternal Sonship and the Adoption heresey
John, can you explain "heretical ignorance" to me? I always thought heretics claimed to more than others...not less! :-)
Perry
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>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Eternal Sonship and the Adoption heresey
>Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:35:34 -0500
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>Your heretical ignorance of the facts of scripture coupled with your >refusal to deal with the issues presented in past postings. The myth that >you function off the Holy Spirit in the interpretation of scripture is >herein debunked. Adoptionism is not a bibllical doctrine when applied to >Christ.
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>So what's your problem?
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>jd
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>From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [email protected]
>Cc: [email protected]
>Sent: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:44:20 -0500
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Eternal Sonship and the Adoption heresey
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>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Judy -- my point is this: if you reject the notion that Jesus Christ >and God are the same, then you believe that Jesus the man saved mankind >----------------- man saving man. An impossibility. Perhaps Bill >could make my point clearer or Lance or Gary. ....
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>The sacrifice had to be that of a man and Jesus overcame in the three areas >A&E surrendered to during his
>time in the wilderness before His teaching and healing ministry and laying >down his physical life on the cross. Scripture tells us as much Heb 2:9 >says "But we see Jesus who was made a little lower than the angels for the >suffering of death" Now I know you don't believe that God the Eternal >Father is a "little lower than the angels" do you? Also God can not die, so >there was something different about His only begotten Son. Only another >man could overcome sin and pay our ransom - and it is written:
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>"For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the >dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive" >(1 Cor 15:21-22)
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>So what is the problem JD???
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>On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:09:52 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Especially in view of the foregoing. To argue that at some poi nt in time, > Jesus Christ became the Son of God is to preach the doctrine of Adoption. > You have man saving man instead of God saving man -- and that bothers >me. Jd
>How can you call it "man saving man" when it is what God ordained from the >foundation of the world? Jesus is called many things in scripture >including "the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world"
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>I don't believe this (man saving man) ..... you do if you believe that >he was not God in the flesh. jd
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>This man saving man idea is a figment of your own imagination JD. If God >could have redeemed
>mankind as God then Jesus would never have had to be born of the woman and >learn obedience
>by suffering. It could have all been done from heaven.
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> judyt
>He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandment s
> is a liar (1 John 2:4)
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Perry
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Eternal Sonship and the Adoption heresey
>Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:35:34 -0500
>
>Your heretical ignorance of the facts of scripture coupled with your >refusal to deal with the issues presented in past postings. The myth that >you function off the Holy Spirit in the interpretation of scripture is >herein debunked. Adoptionism is not a bibllical doctrine when applied to >Christ.
>
>So what's your problem?
>
>jd
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [email protected]
>Cc: [email protected]
>Sent: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:44:20 -0500
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Eternal Sonship and the Adoption heresey
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>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Judy -- my point is this: if you reject the notion that Jesus Christ >and God are the same, then you believe that Jesus the man saved mankind >----------------- man saving man. An impossibility. Perhaps Bill >could make my point clearer or Lance or Gary. ....
>
>The sacrifice had to be that of a man and Jesus overcame in the three areas >A&E surrendered to during his
>time in the wilderness before His teaching and healing ministry and laying >down his physical life on the cross. Scripture tells us as much Heb 2:9 >says "But we see Jesus who was made a little lower than the angels for the >suffering of death" Now I know you don't believe that God the Eternal >Father is a "little lower than the angels" do you? Also God can not die, so >there was something different about His only begotten Son. Only another >man could overcome sin and pay our ransom - and it is written:
>
>"For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the >dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive" >(1 Cor 15:21-22)
>
>So what is the problem JD???
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>On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:09:52 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Especially in view of the foregoing. To argue that at some poi nt in time, > Jesus Christ became the Son of God is to preach the doctrine of Adoption. > You have man saving man instead of God saving man -- and that bothers >me. Jd
>How can you call it "man saving man" when it is what God ordained from the >foundation of the world? Jesus is called many things in scripture >including "the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world"
>
>I don't believe this (man saving man) ..... you do if you believe that >he was not God in the flesh. jd
>
>This man saving man idea is a figment of your own imagination JD. If God >could have redeemed
>mankind as God then Jesus would never have had to be born of the woman and >learn obedience
>by suffering. It could have all been done from heaven.
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> judyt
>He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandment s
> is a liar (1 John 2:4)
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