This is RLDS but it is a start
p 11 until the twenty-first of September, one thousand eight hundred and twenty-three,
p 15 After this third visit he again ascended up into heaven as before and I was again left to ponder on the strangeness of what I had just experienced, when almost immediately after the heavenly messenger had ascended from me the third time, the cock crew, and I found that day was approaching, so that our interviews must have occupied the whole of that night. I shortly after arose from my bed, and as usual went to the necessary labors of the day
p 16 "I made an attempt to take them out, but was forbidden by the messenger and was again informed that the time for bringing them forth had not yet arrived, neither would until four years from that time; but he told me that I
should come to that place precisely in one year from that time, and that he would there meet with me, and that I should continue to do so until the time should come for obtaining the plates. Accordingly as I had been commanded I went at the end of each year, and at each time I found the same messenger there, and received instruction and intelligence from him at each of our interviews respecting what the Lord was going to do and how and in what manner his kingdom was to be conducted in the last days.
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Would a scan of the relevant pages from your own books help?HoC pp 11 & 16
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Like the wise men of old who knew of the Messiah's birth, and where it was to happen, I study the stars, Kevin. But as with anything considered occult, there are many who prey upon the ignorance of the masses, and teach corrupt crap that originates in their own evil imaginations. Your author who was trying to deceive in order to down-grade a good and righteous servant of Jesus Christ (JS) is one of these despicable persons. You ought to be ashamed to even be reading his offal.In a message dated 12/8/2005 5:40:32 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:WOW you know a lot about that stuff are you an OCCULTIST?What was with the sacrifice of a Black sheep?The Author is D M QuinnHe is a commited Mormon.He is a Professor at BYU
from the publisher:
In this ground-breaking book, D. Michael Quinn masterfully reconstructs an earlier age, finding ample evidence for folk magic in nineteenth-century New England, as he does in Mormon founder Joseph Smith's upbringing. Quinn discovers that Smith's world was inhabited by supernatural creatures whose existence could be both symbolic and real. He explains that the Smith family's treasure digging was not unusual for the times and is vital to understanding how early Mormons interpreted developments in their history in ways that differ from modern perceptions. Quinn's impressive research provides a much-needed background for the environment that produced Mormonism.This thoroughly researched examination into occult traditions surrounding Smith, his family, and other founding Mormons cannot be understated. Among the practices no longer a part of Mormonism are the use of divining rods for revelation, astrology to determine the best times to conceive children and plant crops, the study of skull contours to understand personality traits, magic formula utilized to discover lost property, and the wearing of protective talismans. Ninety-four photographs and illustrations accompany the text.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 12/7/2005 5:14:05 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Joseph Smith, jun. was born December 23, 1805 during the first Decan of Capricorn whose ruling planet is Jupiter, which is also the governing planet for the year 1805.Blainerb: Like most of what you quote, your author was apparently depending on the ignorance of the reader to persuade against Joseph Smith. Yes, Joseph was born on December 23, and that means the sun was in the first decan of Capricorn. However, the ruling planet for Capricorn was never Jupiter--it is and always has been Saturn. Jupiter is the ruler of one sign of the zodiac only and that is Sagittarius. Upon checking other signs for Joseph Smith, I see the moon was in the sign Aquarius, also ruled by Saturn. If Joseph had worn a Saturn talisman, your writer's comments might have some validity--as it is, it's obvious he's a liar who cares nothing for the truth.
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