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Blainerb: I actually saw and touched one
of the original Sunstones that were placed in the Nauvoo Temple in Nauvoo
Illinois. The state of Illinois had retained it for their museum.
Thanks for showing us what it looks like. It represents--symbolizes--the
highest degree of brightness and glory man may attain too in the
resurrection--which glory is likened unto the sun. It is in no way a
representation of what God actually looks like. (Read more
below)
In a message dated 12/9/2005 5:42:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
temple stone!
Du 17 And hath gone and served other gods, and
worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of
heaven, which I have not commanded
Du 18 There shall not be found among you any one that
maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth
divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a
witch.
There are seven stars in the sign or constellation of
the Big Dipper on the Salt Lake Temple, explained by President Harold B.
Lee "to represent the great truth that through the priesthood
of God the lost may find their way." Harold B.Lee,
Stand Ye in Holy Places, p. 251
Blainerb: President Lee is referring to
the one star in the Big Dipper constellation called the North Star. Unlike
the other six stars, it remains constant as the earth turns on its axis every
twenty-four hours, and thus symbolizes Jesus Christ, who never deviates or
changes, but remains a constant source of enlightenment for those who seek his
counsel and who seek to emulate Him. We may, like the mariners of old who
kept their course steady by taking a fix on the North Star, find our spiritual
directions by taking a fix on Jesus Christ.
Blainerb: The above photo is of another
section of the outer wall of the original Nauvoo, Illinois, Temple. The
star symbolizes the lowest of the three degrees of glory man may attain to in
the resurrection. Since stars produce their own light, these are probably
those who stand in their own light and reject the greater light of Jesus
Christ.
The moon represents the middle degree of glory
man may be resurrected to. The glory of the moon is a reflection of the
light received from the sun, and so shall it be among the inhabitants of this
glory/Kingdom. That is, they will accept the greater light of Jesus
Christ, and will be among the honorable of the earth, but were not valiant in
their testimony of Jesus Christ. Kevin's nonsense below tells me he stands
in his own light. :>)
Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your
Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to
yourselves.
2 Kings 23:5,11 And he put
down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to
burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places
round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the
sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the
host of heaven. And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had
given to the sun, at the entering in of the house of the LORD, by the
chamber of Nathanmelech the chamberlain, which [was] in the suburbs, and
burned the chariots of the sun with fire.
Enoch, Abraham, and Moses all had revelations on astronomy,
and Joseph Smith called the first newspaper of the Church The Evening and
the Morning Star. Why this preoccupation with the
heavens?
In the Book of Revelations, Christ is called
the "bright and Morning Star. This would be Venus, which because of its
being closer to the sun than the earth, sometimes follows the sun down as
the Evening Star, sometimes is hidden behind the sun, and sometimes precedes the
sun arising in the morning, so is called the Morning Star. This sequence
symbolizes the death (Evening Star), burial (star behind the sun) and
resurrection (Morning Star) of Jesus Christ. It is all symbolic.
ByTheWay, the Hopi Indians include part of this sequence in one of their
ceremonies--they have one of their priests wear a white robe and a fake beard,
and chant, "I am the bright and morning
star." (Book of the Hopi, p. 143, by Frank
Waters.)
Just as the Savior was born and sacrificed on special Hebrew calendar
days, so was the Prophet Joseph Smith. His birth on Monday, 23
December 1805 coincided with the Hebrew day marking the winter solstice, leading to the suggestion
that it symbolized the return of the light of the gospel to a dark
world.(Proctor, Scot Facer, Witness of the
Light, Deseret Book Company, Salt Lake City, Utah, p. 22)
Moreover, Thursday, 27 June 1844, the day on which the Prophet went "like a
lamb to the slaughter" (D&C 135:4), was one of four Hebrew "days of
atonement " ( the day
of atonement on which joe was "martyed") The
Law of Moses actually required priests to sacrifice two lambs every day: one
in the morning and one in the afternoon (Num. 28:3-8). Because the
Hebrew day begins about sunset, the morning sacrifice was near the meridian of
the 24-hour Hebrew day, and the afternoon sacrifice was near the end of the
day. The morning sacrifice appears to
have represented Jesus Christ, who would come in the meridian of time, and the
afternoon lamb might well have symbolized the Prophet
Joseph Smith, who came in the latter days and did
"more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than
any other man that ever lived in it" (D&C 135:3).
Blainerb: GOOD!!
Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Blaine,
the resident TT astrologer says, " and the sunstone with the
round-faced
image of god". Is god's face round like the sun? Does the sun
have a
face like god's? Does god have a literal face? Are god and the sun
the
same that anyone should combine them in an image? Can you say "Sun
worship"? "Graven Images"?
"When the suuuuuun is in the seventh
house...and Ju-pi-terrrrr aligns with
Mars.....Peeeeaaaace will guide
the pla-a-nuts, and loooove will guide the
stars, this is the dawning of
the age of aquarius, the age of
aguarius...aquaaaaaaaariuuuus...aquaaaaaaaariiiuuus".
Gee, that
was fun. I haven't sung that since Pluto was in the doghouse.
Blaine,
can you explain what the age of aquarius is, if we are now in the
age of
aquarius, and how that squares with your mormon beliefs, or how it
does
not?
Do you believe Nostradamus to be an authentic prognosticator of
the future?
What evidence do you have of the truth of his
prophecies?
Thanks,
Perry
>From:
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>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To:
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>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn
equinox Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005
>21:44:19
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>Blainerb: Sounds more like some of Joseph
Smith's tom-foolery! He was
>famous for saying ridiculous things for a
laugh! Once while the Nauvoo
>temple
>was being built, and the
sunstone with the round-faced image of God
>carved on
>it was
about to be put into place, someone asked if that was what God
>looked
>like. He replied that it was, except his nose was just
a smidgeon wider!
>Both he and the man who asked the question got a
good laugh! Where is
>your
>sense of humor,
Kevin?
>
>In a message dated 12/7/2005 9:14:07 P.M. Mountain
Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>Joe
was an Occultist who sacrificed animals
>
>Kevin Deegan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>The angel appeared on September 22
every year four years in a row. None
>of
>the other dates
corresponded to Trumpets.
>
>It had more to do with being a
observer of SIGNS in the heavens. Jo was an
>Astrologer who did all
his "work" on days of Occult and Astrologic
>significance
>Pagans observe the "holy day" of the Autumn
Equinox on the date in 1827
>also. The "angel" of light had appeared
on the night of the Autumnal
>equinox,
>between midnight and
dawn--hours auspicious for a magical invocation
>
>In what
follows most Mormons will not find a story with which they
are
>familiar. Instead, they will discover that Joseph Smith evidently
>participated
>extensively in magical pursuits and that he
shared with others of his
>contemporaries a magic world view of the
world. For myself, I have found
>that the
>'official version'
of early Mormon history is sometimes incomplete in its
>presentation
and evaluation of evidence, and therefore inaccurate in
>certain
>respects." (Early Mormonism and the Magic World View,
Introduction, Quinn
>pages
>xx-xxi)
>
>
>In
discussing the discovery of the Book of Mormon, Quinn notes that
Smith
>prayed to be guided to the plates for three years in succession
on the
>autumnal
>equinox. On September 21, 1823, for example,
Smith prayed under the full
>moon on a Sunday night that was ruled by
his own ruling planet, Jupiter.
>The
>hours of his prayer and
vision were ruled by planets and the moon, making
>the
>time
particularly propitious for the summoning of and communing with a
>good
>spirit. (Smith also owned a talisman which had the magic
seal of Jupiter
>and
>the Latin words "Confirmo O Deus
potentissimus" on one side, and the
>astrological symbol for Jupiter,
Jupiter's magic number (136), and a magic
>table in
>Hebrew
lettering that added up to 136 on the other side.)
>Review of Early
Mormonism and the Magic World View D. MICHAEL
QUINN
>_http://www.signaturebooks.com/reviews/magic.htm_
>(http://www.signaturebooks.com/reviews/magic.htm)
>
>Joseph
Smith, jun. was born December 23, 1805 during the first Decan
of
>Capricorn whose ruling planet is Jupiter, which is also the
governing
>planet for
>the year 1805.
>Dr. Durham
director of the LDS Institute of Religion at the University of
>Utah
as well as president of the Mormon History Association "...The
>purpose of
>the Table of Jupiter is talismanic magic [sic] was
to be able to call upon
>the celestial intelligences assigned to the
particular talisman to assist
>one
>in all endeavors. The names
of the deities... who could be invoked by the
>Table were always
written on the tailsman or represented by various
>numbers;
>three such names were written on Joseph Smith's
talisman... Abbah, Father;
>El
>Ab, Father is God; and
Josiphiel, Johovah speaks for God... When properly
>invoked, with
Jupiter being very powerful and ruling in the heavens,
these
>intelligences by the power of ancient magic guaranteed to the
possessor of
>this
>tailsman to gain of riches and favor and
power and love and peace and to
>confirm
>honors and dignities
and councils. Tailsmanic magic further declared that
>any one who
worked skillfully with this Jupiter table would obtain the
>power
of
>stimulating anyone to offer their love to the possessor of the
>talisman..."
>
>Dabbling in the occult, Smith
apprenticed with a man described as "a
>peripatetic magician, conjurer
and fortuneteller," from whom he learned
>the era's
>folk
concepts of crystal gazing, divining rods, seer stones, and
rituals
>associated with treasure hunting. He advised others in their
pursuits,
>once
>instructing a neighbor he could locate buried
money on his property by
>slitting the
>throat of a black sheep
and leading it in a circle on the land.
>Increasingly ridiculed as a
necromancer and money digger, Smith kept
>details of
his
>continuing revelations to himself, confiding only in his parents,
>siblings, and,
>by early 1827, in young Emma Hale, with whom
he had eloped. All the while
>he
>patiently awaited an order
from the angel Moroni that it was time to
>retrieve
>the golden
book.
>It was an auspicious night for communing with spirits,
according to the
>astrological handbooks of the day. "Jews throughout
the world celebrated
>the
>Feast of Trumpets, which initiates
the Days of Awe," or Rosh Hashanah,
>academic
>journals later
noted in an attempt to seek association between Smith and
>Judaism.
Almanacs published near Smith's home reported the date was "both
>the
>autumnal equinox and a new moon, an excellent time to
commence new
>projects." A
>publication in nearby Canandaigua
reported "the moon was also in Libra,
>when
>one should 'Delve
and Dig.' "
>The twenty-one-year-old Smith dressed himself in black,
then borrowed a
>black horse and sleigh for the ride to the hill of
Cumorah. He had been
>"commanded to go on the 22d day of September
1827 at 2 o'clock," Smith's
>sister
later
>wrote.
>American Massacre: The Tragedy At Mountain
Meadows, September 1857
Denton
>_http://www.northshire.com/siteinfo/bookinfo/0-375-72636-5/0/_
>(http://www.northshire.com/siteinfo/bookinfo/0-375-72636-5/0/)
>
>
>NOTE
The Greater Key of Solomon, page 122, says that "Sometimes
white
>animals are sacrificed to the good Spirits and black to the
evil."
>
>
>Richard L. Anderson Brigham Young University
Studies, Spring 1970, page
>294
>The Professor quotes the
following from M. Wilford Poulson's notes of a
>conversation with
Wallace Miner: "I once asked Stafford if Smith did steal
>a
>sheep from him. He said no, not exactly. He said, he did
miss a black
>sheep, but
>soon Joseph came and admitted he took
it for sacrifice but he was willing
>to
>work for it. He made
wooden sap buckets to fully pay for it."
>
>C. R. Stafford
testified concerning the same incident: "Jo Smith, the
>prophet, told
my uncle, William Stafford, he wanted a fat, black sheep. He
>said
he
>wanted to cut its throat and make it walk in a circle three times
around
>and
>it would prevent a pot of money from leaving."
(Naked Truths About
>Mormonism, January 1888, page
3)
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, December 06,
2005 9:10 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re:
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>
>
>
>
>You
forgot to put LOL after your comment--surely you were jesting!!
:>)
>
>
>The angel appeared on September 22 every year
four years in a row. None
>of
>the other dates corresponded to
Trumpets.
>
>
>
>
>
>Hey did you know
the appearance of Elijah to JS and Oliver C. was on 16
>Nisan? It was
The Day of the Lord--he was crucified on Friday, 14 Nisan.
>
That
>combination happens very seldom. The Jews have been predicting
Elijah's
>appearance on the
>Passover (14 Nisan) for
centuries--16 Nisan is very close, but not right
>on.. If the devil
was in it, as you say, would he not have used 14 Nisan
>instead of 16
Nisan?
>
>
>Blaine
>
>
>
>
>
>In
a message dated 12/5/2005 12:55:47 P.M. Mountain Standard
Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
>The devil
knew, Blaine. He’s such a cunning fake.
iz
>
>
>
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>From:
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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Marlin halverson
>Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 12:50
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>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
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>BTW, I am partially
inclined to agree with you that all has not been
>fulfilled--the gold
plates were first delivered to the Prophet JS on the
>day of
the
>Feast of Trumpets. JS never pointed this out--not sure he even
knew
>it--but
>it is true. Check it out--September 22,
1827.
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