You mean the old rugged torrance?
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If you think this to be little more than funny, you know no more about
the "old rugged cross" than does our friend, Blaine.
jd
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From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The WHAT?
>
> ROTFL
>
> Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> THE VICARIOUS HUMANITY OF CHRIST WOULD MOST ASSUREDLY INCLUDE THE
> GARDEN, kevin!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kevin Deegan
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Sent: December 14, 2005 07:46
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement
>
>
> Blaine what is all this Talk about PAYING for SINS in the GARDEN?
> And what is this great drops of Blood sweat thing have to do with Atonement?
>
> "The Savior ATONED for our sins by suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his
> life on the cross. It is impossible for us to fully understand how he suffered
> for all of our sins. In the Garden of Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused
> him to feel such agony and heartbreak that be bled from every pore (see D&C
> 19:18-19). " Gospel Principles, Corporation of the President of the Church of
> Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg. 66
>
> "Jesus then went into the Garden of Gethsemane. There he suffered most. He
> suffered greatly on the cross, of course, but other men had died by crucifixion;
> in fact, a man hung on either side of him as he died on the cross. But no man,
> nor set of men, nor all men put together, ever suffered what the Redeemer
> suffered in the garden. He went there to pray and suffer'" (Conference Report,
> Marion Romney, First Presidency, October 1953, Pg.35).
>
> "suffered as only as God would suffer, bearing our griefs, carrying our
> sorrows, being wounded for our transgressions, voluntarily submitting Himself to
> the iniquity of us all, just as Isaiah prophesied."
> "It was in Gethsemane that Jesus took on Himself the sins of the world, in
> Gethsemane that His pain was equivalent to the cumulative burden of all men, in
> Gethsemane that He descended below all things so that all could repent and come
> to Him" (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg.15).
>
> "Forgiveness is available because Christ the Lord sweat great drops of blood
> in Gethsemane as he bore the incalculable weight of the sins of all who ever had
> or ever would repent" ("The Promised Messiah," Bruce R. McConkie pg. 337)
> "In a garden called Gethsemane, outside Jerusalem's walls, in agony beyond
> compare, he took upon himself the sins of all men on condition of repentance."
> ("The Promised Messiah," Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie pg. 552)
>
> "And as he came out of the Garden, delivering himself voluntarily into the
> hands of wicked men, the victory had been won. There remained yet the shame and
> the pain of his attest, his trials, and his cross. But all these were
> overshadowed by the agonies and sufferings in Gethsemane. It was on the cross
> that he 'suffered death in the flesh,' even as many have suffered agonizing
> deaths, but it was in Gethsemane that "he suffered the pain of all men, that all
> men might repent and come unto him." "The Mortal Messiah," McConkie pg. 127-128
> Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane.
> Laurel Rohlfing, Sharing Time: The Atonement, Friend, Mar. 1989, 39
>
> BYU professor Robert J. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book, A Bible! A
> Bible!, wrote, It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of the Mount of Olives, that
> Jesus made his perfect atonement by the shedding of his blood-more so than on
> the cross.
>
> Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated, Where and under what circumstances was the
> atoning sacrifice of the Son of God made? Was it on the Cross of Calvary or in
> the Garden of Gethsemane? It is to the Cross of Christ that most Christians look
> when centering their attention upon the infinite and eternal atonement. And
> certainly the sacrifice of our Lord was completed when he was lifted up by men;
> also, that part of his life and suffering is more dramatic and, perhaps, more
> soul stirring. But in reality the pain and suffering, the triumph and grandeur,
> of the atonement took place primarily in Gethsemane, (Doctrinal New Testament
> Commentary 1:774)
>
> The Savior began shedding His blood for all mankind, not on the cross but in
> the Garden of Gethsemane. (Russell M. Nelson, His Mission and Ministry, New
> Era, Dec. 1999)
>
>
> the preaching of the CROSS is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us
> which are saved it is the power of God 1 Co 1:18
>
> Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Now Kevin, we don't despise crosses, we just like stars better. :>)
> Blainerb
>
> Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane.
> Laurel Rohlfing, Sharing Time: The Atonement, Friend, Mar. 1989, 39
>
> "The Savior atoned for our sins by suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his
> life on the cross. It is impossible for us to fully understand how he suffered
> for all of our sins. In the Garden of Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused
> him to feel such agony and heartbreak that be bled from every pore (see D&C
> 19:18-19). " Gospel Principles, Corporation of the President of the Church of
> Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg. 66
>
> BYU professor Robert J. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book, A Bible! A
> Bible!, wrote, It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of the Mount of Olives, that
> Jesus made his perfect atonement by the shedding of his blood-more so than on
> the cross.
>
> Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated, Where and under what circumstances was the
> atoning sacrifice of the Son of God made? Was it on the Cross of Calvary or in
> the Garden of Gethsemane? It is to the Cross of Christ that most Christians look
> when centering their attention upon the infinite and eternal atonement. And
> certainly the sacrifice of our Lord was completed when he was lifted up by men;
> also, that part of his life and suffering is more dramatic and, perhaps, more
> soul stirring. But in reality the pain and suffering, the triumph and grandeur,
> of the atonement took place primarily in Gethsemane, (Doctrinal New Testament
> Commentary 1:774)
>
> The Savior began shedding His blood for all mankind, not on the cross but in
> the Garden of Gethsemane. (Russell M. Nelson, His Mission and Ministry, New
> Era, Dec. 1999)
>
> we are Reconciled thru the cross
> Col 1:20 having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile
> all things unto himself
> Eph 2:16 that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross
>
> Our debt nailed to the cross
> Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which
> was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross
>
> He bore our sins on the cross
> 1 Pt 2 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Now Kevin, we don't despise crosses, we just like stars better. :>)
> Blainerb
>
> In a message dated 12/13/2005 6:12:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> The cats out of the bag:
> Christians Glory in the cross you dispise it since you are of those that the
> Bible says are ENEMIES of the Cross whose END is DESTRUCTION!
> Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our
> Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
>
> Ph 3 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye
> have us for an ensample. (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now
> tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose
> end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame,
> who mind earthly things.)
>
> You are an example of those that mind earthly things such as your LUSTFUL
> MIND.
>
> What specifically is so WIERD here? Except for ENEMIES that is.
>
> On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross,
> The emblem of suffering and shame;
> And I love that old cross where the dearest and best
> For a world of lost sinners was slain.
> Refrain
> So Iâll cherish the old rugged cross,
> Till my trophies at last I lay down;
> I will cling to the old rugged cross,
> And exchange it some day for a crown.
> O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world,
> Has a wondrous attraction for me;
> For the dear Lamb of God left His glory above
> To bear it to dark Calvary.
> Refrain
> In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine,
> A wondrous beauty I see,
> For âtwas on that old cross Jesus suffered and died,
> To pardon and sanctify me.
> Refrain
> To the old rugged cross I will ever be true;
> Its shame and reproach gladly bear;
> Then Heâll call me some day to my home far away,
> Where His glory forever Iâll share.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Garden Atonement
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:31:03 +0000
The WHAT?ROTFL
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:THE VICARIOUS HUMANITY OF CHRIST WOULD MOST ASSUREDLY INCLUDE THE GARDEN, kevin!----- Original Message -----From: Kevin DeeganSent: December 14, 2005 07:46Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Garden AtonementBlaine what is all this Talk about PAYING for SINS in the GARDEN?And what is this great drops of Blood sweat thing have to do with Atonement?"The Savior ATONED for our sins by suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his life on the cross. It is impossible for us to fully understand how he suffered for all of our sins. In the Garden of Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused him to feel such agony and heartbreak that be bled from every pore (see D&C 19:18-19). " Gospel Principles, Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg. 66"Jesus then went into the Garden of Gethsemane. There he suffered most. He suffered greatly on the cross, of course, but other men had died by crucifixion; in fact, a man hung on either side of him as he died on the cross. But no man, nor set of men, nor all men put together, ever suffered what the Redeemer suffered in the garden. He went there to pray and suffer'" (Conference Report, Marion Romney, First Presidency, October 1953, Pg.35).
"suffered as only as God would suffer, bearing our griefs, carrying our sorrows, being wounded for our transgressions, voluntarily submitting Himself to the iniquity of us all, just as Isaiah prophesied.""It was in Gethsemane that Jesus took on Himself the sins of the world, in Gethsemane that His pain was equivalent to the cumulative burden of all men, in Gethsemane that He descended below all things so that all could repent and come to Him" (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg.15)."Forgiveness is available because Christ the Lord sweat great drops of blood in Gethsemane as he bore the incalculable weight of the sins of all who ever had or ever would repent" ("The Promised Messiah," Bruce R. McConkie pg. 337)"In a garden called Gethsemane, outside Jerusalem's walls, in agony beyond compare, he took upon himself the sins of all men on condition of repentance." ("The Promised Messiah," Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie pg. 552)"And as he came out of the Garden, delivering himself voluntarily into the hands of wicked men, the victory had been won. There remained yet the shame and the pain of his attest, his trials, and his cross. But all these were overshadowed by the agonies and sufferings in Gethsemane. It was on the cross that he 'suffered death in the flesh,' even as many have suffered agonizing deaths, but it was in Gethsemane that "he suffered the pain of all men, that all men might repent and come unto him." "The Mortal Messiah," McConkie pg. 127-128Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane. Laurel Rohlfing, Sharing Time: The Atonement, Friend, Mar. 1989, 39BYU professor Robert J. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book, A Bible! A Bible!, wrote, It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of the Mount of Olives, that Jesus made his perfect atonement by the shedding of his blood-more so than on the cross.Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated, Where and under what circumstances was the atoning sacrifice of the Son of God made? Was it on the Cross of Calvary or in the Garden of Gethsemane? It is to the Cross of Christ that most Christians look when centering their attention upon the infinite and eternal atonement. And certainly the sacrifice of our Lord was completed when he was lifted up by men; also, that part of his life and suffering is more dramatic and, perhaps, more soul stirring. But in reality the pain and suffering, the triumph and grandeur, of the atonement took place primarily in Gethsemane, (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary 1:774)The Savior began shedding His blood for all mankind, not on the cross but in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Russell M. Nelson, His Mission and Ministry, New Era, Dec. 1999)the preaching of the CROSS is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God 1 Co 1:18Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Now Kevin, we don't despise crosses, we just like stars better. :>) BlainerbJesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane. Laurel Rohlfing, Sharing Time: The Atonement, Friend, Mar. 1989, 39"The Savior atoned for our sins by suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his life on the cross. It is impossible for us to fully understand how he suffered for all of our sins. In the Garden of Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused him to feel such agony and heartbreak that be bled from every pore (see D&C 19:18-19). " Gospel Principles, Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg. 66BYU professor Robert J. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book, A Bible! A Bible!, wrote, It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of the Mount of Olives, that Jesus made his perfect atonement by the shedding of his blood-more so than on the cross.Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated, Where and under what circumstances was the atoning sacrifice of the Son of God made? Was it on the Cross of Calvary or in the Garden of Gethsemane? It is to the Cross of Christ that most Christians look when centering their attention upon the infinite and eternal atonement. And certainly the sacrifice of our Lord was completed when he was lifted up by men; also, that part of his life and suffering is more dramatic and, perhaps, more soul stirring. But in reality the pain and suffering, the triumph and grandeur, of the atonement took place primarily in Gethsemane, (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary 1:774)The Savior began shedding His blood for all mankind, not on the cross but in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Russell M. Nelson, His Mission and Ministry, New Era, Dec. 1999)we are Reconciled thru the crossCol 1:20 having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himselfEph 2:16 that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the crossOur debt nailed to the crossCol 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his crossHe bore our sins on the cross1 Pt 2 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Now Kevin, we don't despise crosses, we just like stars better. :>)BlainerbIn a message dated 12/13/2005 6:12:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:The cats out of the bag:Christians Glory in the cross you dispise it since you are of those that the Bible says are ENEMIES of the Cross whose END is DESTRUCTION!Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.Ph 3 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)You are an example of those that mind earthly things such as your LUSTFUL MIND.What specifically is so WIERD here? Except for ENEMIES that is.On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross,
The emblem of suffering and shame;
And I love that old cross where the dearest and best
For a world of lost sinners was slain.RefrainSo Iâll cherish the old rugged cross,
Till my trophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged cross,
And exchange it some day for a crown.O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world,
Has a wondrous attraction for me;
For the dear Lamb of God left His glory above
To bear it to dark Calvary.RefrainIn that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine,
A wondrous beauty I see,
For âtwas on that old cross Jesus suffered and died,
To pardon and sanctify me.RefrainTo the old rugged cross I will ever be true;
Its shame and reproach gladly bear;
Then Heâll call me some day to my home far away,
Where His glory forever Iâll share.
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