Funny thing, Judy, I've always though of you as your own 'FANCY THEOLOGIAN'. Over time one cannot but note that others have thought similarly. The 'Judy theology' is generally well researched and, on the whole, readable.
 
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And I've been attempting to say to you that there is such a thing as objective truth a light that shines
into the darknes of the unregenerate human heart which is the Word of the Living God untainted and
unfiltered through human reason and/or fancy theologians .... which, when we choose to abide therein
will make us free.
 
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:50:57 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
That, Judy, is what I've been attempting to say, apparently with minimal success.
 
Every deceived person believes themselves to be "in the truth"
Deceived people don't know they are deceived - this is the nature of the beast.
 
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:43:47 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I, for one, have no difficulty at all criticizing the'deceived' as you put it, Judy.
The difficulty is that some who are, in reality deceived, believe themselves to be 'in the truth' do they not?
 
Meaning that all evangelism and preaching the gospel should cease because we can not be
critical of anyones beliefs because this is criticizing them personally??  IOW let the deceived
stay captive to the devil.  Lord forbid that we should offend anyone.  Is Jesus a stumbling stone
and a rock of offense ... or has he now become fashionable in his new "living" form?
 
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:49:55 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
You really don't get it do you? If I were to criticize your beliefs then, I am criticizing your person
 
OK so we should not criticize beliefs.
But criticizing the person is OK in your book
Good ol Self Refutin Lance...
 
Kevin, this so-called anti-Mormon kick you're on seems to be about all you've got goin' for ya..

Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You really don't get it do you? If I were to criticize your beliefs then, I am criticizing your person
 
No you wouldn't be because you don't know my person.  What you are talking about is religious/racial bigotry
which is a misnomer. It is possible to love the person and reject their belief.  God did it when he sent Jesus
Jesus did it when he hung on the cross - and we can do it as His Ambassadors in a world full of sin and strife.
 
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:37:20 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
You really don't get it do you? If I were to criticize your beliefs then, I am criticizing your person and, vice versa. Kevin et al do the same with the Mormons.
 
I've asked you previously. I shall ask you once again. Is there a great gulf between who you are and what you say (believe)?
 
Now if you had said Joseph Smith & Brigham Young your observation may have carried some weight
Lance.  However, I've yet to see Kevin comment on Blaine or DaveH personally, it's their false belief system he takes issue with and in doing this he confronts them with their own contradictions.
 
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:56:00 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
OR YOUR OPINIONS OF BLAINE & DAVEH THAT'S CALLED ANTI MORMONISM!! Come to think of it, Kevin,
this so-called anti-Mormon kick you're on seems to be about all you've got goin' for ya..
 
This list is called Truth Talk Lance. It is not all about your opinions or me.
 
OR Lance's opinions OF you and others!
that is a different list called People talk

Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This list is called Truth Talk Lance. It is not all about your opinions or me.
 
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:51:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Let me attempt something, Judy. WITH WHAT FREQUENCY THEN, DO YOU EXHIBIT THIS 'TRUE HIMILITY'?
 
True humility Lance is saying what God says about a situation or subject; personal opinion, even
while grovelling while saying it is inverted pride.  When a preacher gets out there with a megaphone
and accurately speaks the oracles of God .. that is true humility.  Or of one speaks them to a friend in
private - this is also laying down their own life.  Because God's Word is that around which the battle
rages.
 
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:33:54 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
There are two on TT who regularly write reflecting humility. I'm suspect of one of them but, that's because I don't, perhaps. 

 
I see.  Is this then the sin of the parents, or the world, or the parson with low esteem?
How would this condition add to or subtract from one's ability to do what Jesus suggests in the sermon on the mount?  I am too lazy to look it up but it seems to me that He came to town meek and lowly, riding on a colt.  Possibly as an example to us?
To be quite honest, I do not see low esteem as a problem on TT.  Do you?
Terry


 Judy Taylor wrote:
Self rejection happens when children are either rejected by parents or have overly critical parents. When
one is raised in an unloving atmosphere they tend to accept the lie that this is because they are unlovable making
it difficult to understand or receive the love of God.  
 
The world adds to the problem with unrealistic standards especially in the area of perfection and body image -
thinness for women and Gk perfection for men and too many times this becomes a graven image or idol and
people reject themselves when they don't measure up rather than giving thanks for being fearfully and wonderfully
made.
 
 
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:14:35 -0600 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Could you explain what you mean by self rejection?

Judy Taylor wrote:
Hi Terry,
I don't know that any of us would say that they are "self satisfied" in fact not even Paul himself said that.
What he did say is that he didn't know of any sin but that did not mean he was justified completely before
the Lord.  I would say the same.  At this point in my walk I see self rejection just as sinful as the ignorance
that comes with pride... either way it is all self, self, self, self.  judyt
 

 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)

 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)


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                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)


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                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)

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