RE: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles

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This, coming from Lance???  Amazing, isn’t it? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:27 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles   How are you using 'charismatic'? IFF the Spirit of God is NOT present in this church Judy, flee immediately! IFF the Spirit of God IS present in this church Judy, then take care concerning those accusations lest you falsely accuse one of God's own.   D**n Judy, but you're one c***y lady!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 19, 2005 08:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles   No, I figure God is able to keep us and our son is doing his own homework which is more than many. The missionary girl (just spent 7yrs in Ukraine) that just moved into an Apt with our youngest girl was raised in what they call the Reformed faith and has never questioned it.  Many pew sitters want to be spoon fed by someone who is charismatic, entertaining, and has a good personality and if God doesn't show up - Oh well!!  They wouldn't know the difference.   On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:31:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Are you, Judy, concerned for your son/yourself in this church, under this pastor? From: Judy Taylor   He does JD and if he left almost the whole church would go with him.  It is definitely "he" who has it "going on"  rather than the Lord.  You would like him. You could laugh at all his jokes appreciate all the books he has read and cites in his sermons and join his pastorly following especially since you are pleased to accommodate Calvinism - you'd probably fit right in.   On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:27:22 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your pastors name?  Sounds as though he has it going on  !!!!!  jd   From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Dean: Thanks for your response and please pray for me.  I am in a Reformed Church right now ONLY to encourage our son and DIL who want to raise our grandson in Church but the more I learn about it the worse it becomes. Our Pastor is smart, charismatic, and has been to three different Bible schools and in four different denoms. He has a Phd and THIS is what he has chosen?  It boggles the mind.  Last week he was teaching us that the sin of "unbelief" had been taken care of at the cross.  So I guess that makes the whole of Romans 11 null and void and no branches have to be concerned about being cut off and burned.  The elect have it made in the shade but noone seems to be able to know for sure who they are.  It's confusion at best and an antiChrist spirit at worst.  Don't know whether or not I can stay the course.....   On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:47:58 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: cd: Amen Judy for their fruits are enough-Studying their teaching apart from their works is the reason those -who support Calvin-on this site are confused. We see their work so we have no need for their teachings. We don't have to study the Satanic Bible to know our enemy for truth sheds a bright light on him already. The Bible teaches to look at their fruits and their works is what God Judges every man by-so we can also use God tool to know them. From: Judy Taylor I have yet to hurl an epithet anywhere Lance. My objection to Calvinism is for some very specific reasons with or without "firsthand knowledge or intricate and specific detail" about Calvin the man. His teachings are enough. I will leave the man to God.  I have no desire to be an expert on John Calvin the man or any other anti-Christ (meaning in place of) figure for that matter and this would include Athanasius, Augustine, Aquinas, et al. along to the present Papacy both rc and protestant.  I am happy to leave you to tend to them while I press on to know the Lord and the power of His resurrection in my daily life.       On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:12:10 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Were I prone to worry Judy, YOU would not be among those about whom I would. Why? I perceive you to be a completely and utterly genuine believer, who esteems the Scriptures highly and who lives what she believes. Now, when it comes to the hurling of epithets at those servants of God about whom you possess no firsthand knowledge, I'd put you alongside DaveH and Blainer and their knowledge of the TRUE GOSPEL. (Believe it or not, this is a sort of compliment, Judy) From: Judy Taylor   I wonder if the Bereans had done any reading of primary source material when they examined what Paul preached. Also the apostle John, I wonder if he had read source material when he exhorted 1st Century Christians not to even wish a false teacher "godspeed" for if they did they would be a "partaker of his evil deeds"  If I were prone to worry you would worry me Lance. You are more concerned about these men than you are about Jesus Himself and the ministry of the Spirit of Christ.  IMO you need to do more primary reading from the source of all Truth - then you will more accurately be qualified to discern between good and evil.  Your qualifications are not those of Christ.   On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:26:28 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: YOU JUDY are not entitled to call it anything, IMO. You've not done, insofar as I know, any reading of primary source material (2 vol Institutes, Commentaries). It's akin to hearing an atheist condemn the teachings of the Scriptures based upon the same sort of evidentiary inquiry that you've conducted with John Calvin.   From: Judy Taylor   Would Calvinistic heresay be acceptable Lance?  Where did the doctrine called Calvinism come from if not from him?  What should we call doctrine taken from his institutes and taught in our 20th Century Churches?  Can I call it teachings of Calvin that Lance calls hearsay?   On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:07:08 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: With apologies (sort of) in advance to David Miller and Linda Shields, I ask you once again, Judy: Do you believe that you are MORE DISCERNING THAN JOHN CALVIN?  IMO, your regard for Scriptures appears to be second to nobody on TT. (regard NOT being the same thing as understanding). However, you do indeed appear to read/study and live it insofar as you are enabled. Scripture is a primary source for you. Amen! for that. Now, other than the blessed internet, how much of John Calvin's own writings, have you actually read. Do you possess anything whatsoever by him? If all that you know of him would be classed as 'hearsay' then do cease and desist from your unfounded allegations hereafter. Stick to that which you claim to understand, please?.  From: Judy Taylor   Sure they do, they camp around John Calvin don't they?  Why do you think there are so many different doctrines all claiming to be the truth?   On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:11:04 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..do Bible readers 'camp' around theological error in your neck of the woods?   On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:00:30 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CPL, Are [Bible] readers who believe that JC taught that encouraging the baptism of the HS for the already converted 'sums up the Law and Prophets' Christian/s?   On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:01:39 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: || Matt 7:11 is a scripture that is used to encourage people to seek the Baptism in the Holy Spirit... jt ||   --   for reference: 7:12So in everything, do [the good] to others [t]hat you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.                                              judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4)                                            judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4)                                            judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4)                                            judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4)                                            judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4)                                            judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4)                                            judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4)