The writer below is not me.
1. He believes the popular view of faith is the incorrect view -- among Christians!!! proving himself totally out of touch with the Christian community who shares a deeply held belief in the very kind of faith this person defines.
2. this line "....that Jesus was bearing false testimony here" is not somethoing I would ever introduce into a discussion with others who disagree withme.
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jd wrote:> > How many Christians have believed and been baptized but have not seen
>any
>of
> > these signs follow them? Again, we either have to conclude that the
>concept
> > of faith as taught by Jesus is something greater than the popular
>concept
>of
> > it, or that Jesus was bearing false testimony here, or perhaps that this
> > passage only applies to the immediate believers to whom he spoke. I
>take
> > the position that faith is something more than what most people think
>faith
> > is.Blainerb: Just for the record, I believe the Lord was speaking to his apostles, but was speaking concerning all whom they taught. As Jesus said to Joseph Smith, concerning the Christians of that day, "They teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of Godliness, but denying the power thereof." (Speaking of the power of God to perform miracles)The problem is, there is an almost universal disbelief in God's power to perform miraculous acts. Miracles are commonly reported among Mormon believers--I have experienced a number of them myself--almost always in connection with work in the church.In a message dated 12/21/2005 8:24:24 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I stated that I do in my original post below.
>From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Who decides
>Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:46:19 -0600
>
>Perry, so do you think the "He" in verse 16 refers only to the apostles,
>too? izzy
>
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>Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:54 PM
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>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides
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>cd: I agree Perry.
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> ; > Date: 12/21/2005 5:00:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides
> >
> > David,
> >
> > Regarding your item 2, we might also conclude that Jesus was speaking
> > specifically to the apostles, and that this does not apply to all
>believers.
> > The key is to identify the antecedent of "He" in verse 16, which I
>believe
> > to exclusively be the apostles.
> >
> > Perry
> >
> > David wrote:
> >
> > 2. Mark 16:16-20
> > (16) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that
>believeth
> > not shall be damned.
> > (17) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall
>they
> > cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
> > (18) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it
> > shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall
> > recover.
> > (19) So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up
>into
> > heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
> > (20) And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working
>with
> > them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
> >
> > How many Christians have believed and been baptized but have not seen
>any
>of
> > these signs follow them? Again, we either have to conclude that the
>concept
> > of faith as taught by Jesus is something greater than the popular
>concept
>of
> > it, or that Jesus was bearing false testimony here, or perhaps that this
> > passage only applies to the immediate believers to whom he spoke. I
>take
> > the position that faith is something more than what most people think
>faith
> > is.
