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-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people Has your husband killed anyone? How 'bout your relative, the pilot? Sounds like merit badge of manhood for ya. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: December 26, 2005 13:12 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people > Gary, your statement seems to imply that you believe that killing in > combat is murder. Is that you belief? > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people >>Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:03:27 -0700 >> >>real women marry murderers?? >> >>On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:51:41 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>Has he ever killed anyone from a mile and half away? >> >>-------------- Original message -------------- >>From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>It's great to know there are some real men in Canada, in spite of the >>wimps that run the P.C. government. (In fact, my husband was born on a >>US AF base in Newfoundland. J ) iz >> >> >> >> >>Sniping with the .50 BMG in Afghanistan >>New long-distance record set! >> >>(The following is from the Canadian newspaper National Post. The shooters >>were using .50 BMG rifles that had Lilja barrels on them outfitted with >>Nightforce 5.5-22x NXS scopes.) >>OTTAWA BLOCKS U.S. EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS: Canadian snipers pose >>with their 50-calibre rifle at base camp in Kandahar. Five of the men, >>whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were nominated >>for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their prowess in fighting near Gardez. >>The sixth joined the unit later in the war. >>Wait due to 'Canadian protocol' >>A kill from 2,430 metres >>By Michael Smith and Chris Wattie >>National Post >> >>The United States wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the Bronze >>Star, a decoration for bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban and >>al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern Afghanistan, but Canadian defence officials >>put the medals on hold, the National Post has learned. >>The five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of >>the United States Army's 187th "Rakkasan" brigade last month, clearing >>out diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern >>Afghanistan. >>The Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they >>recommended them for medals after the battle. >>Sources told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already signed >>the recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn from >>3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month. >>Gen. Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in >>Afghanistan, had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two >>for a Bronze Star with distinction. >>The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three >>weeks ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa put the decorations on >>hold, according to a U.S. Army source in Afghanistan. >>The Canadian military told their U.S. counterparts to wait before >>awarding the medals for reasons of "Canadian protocol." >>Spokesmen for the Department of National Defence would not comment on the >>award last night, but a source within the department said the medals are >>on hold while the military decides whether or not to award the men a >>similar Canadian decoration. >>However, Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre of Military and >>Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary, said the real reason for >>the delay was likely official squeamishness. >>"Canadians don't kill -- they don't even use the word kill; that's the >>problem," he said. "I think the military is not sure that the government >>is prepared to accept the fact, let alone celebrate the fact ... that >>Canadian soldiers do sometimes end up killing people." >>Many of the U.S. scouts who worked directly with the Canadian snipers >>were incensed that the Canadians did not get the Bronze Star, the medal >>for bravery the U.S. military usually gives foreign soldiers serving >>alongside its troops. >>The snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on condition their names not be >>printed, have said they would prefer to receive a medal from their peers >>in the field rather than from National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa. >>Dr. Bercuson said there should be no objection to Canadians receiving a >>U.S. decoration: As recently as the Gulf War, two Canadian CF-18 pilots >>were given the Bronze Star. >>He said the medals would be a badly needed boost to the morale of the >>almost 900 Canadian soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan, especially >>after four of their comrades were killed and eight others wounded in last >>week's friendly fire incident. >>"Absolutely they should get it," Dr. Bercuson said. "It would be good for >>the morale of the guys and good for the morale of the whole unit, and >>they need a morale boost right now." >>Canadian snipers were reportedly outstanding in the fighting around the >>mountainous al-Qaeda bastion east of Gardez, code-named Operation >>Anaconda. >>The battle pitted the two Canadian sniper teams against an enemy that >>showered the assaulting coalition troops with mortars and machine-gun >>fire as soon as they jumped from their helicopters. >>One member of the team, a corporal from Newfoundland, said on his first >>night in combat he and his partner got an al-Qaeda machine gun in their >>sights as it was hailing bullets down on U.S. troops below. Crawling up >>into a good position, they set up their .50-calibre rifle -- the McMillan >>Tac-50, a weapon the corporal compares to having superhuman power in your >>hands. "Firing it feels like someone slashing you on the back of your >>hockey helmet with a hockey stick." (These are the rifles fitted with >>Lilja .50 caliber barrels and Nightforce NXS scopes.) >>When he hit his first target, an enemy gunman at a distance of 1,700 >>metres, he said all that ran through his mind was locating his next >>target. >>"All I thought of was Sept. 11th and all those people who didn't have a >>chance and the American reporter who was taken hostage, murdered and his >>wife getting the videotape of the execution; that is my justification." >>A master corporal from Ontario, the lead sniper of his three-man team, >>said when they first landed in the combat zone "our spider senses were >>tingling.... It was night and we didn't know what to expect." >>By daylight, after coming under enemy machine-gun fire, he managed to >>ease his rifle barrel between two rocks and quickly located an enemy >>sniper hiding behind a small piece of corrugated steel between two trees. >>He guessed the distance at 1,700 metres and fired one shot through the >>metal, killing the man instantly. >>He said afterward he remembered thinking: "That's one less bullet that's >>gonna be coming at us, one less person we have to think about." >>During the next four days of fighting, the Newfoundland corporal set what >>is believed to be a record for a long-distance shot under combat >>conditions, hitting an enemy gunman at a distance of 2,430 metres. >>The days of crawling, shooting and long hours waiting in cover left the >>Canadian snipers exhausted. "You don't realize what you've done to your >>body and how tired you are till it's all done. I think we slept 14 or 15 >>hours when we got back," the master corporal said. >>Three of them, along with U.S. special forces soldiers, also rescued a >>company of the U.S. 101st Airborne Division that was pinned down by enemy >>fire on the first day of Operation Anaconda. >>They also participated in Operation Harpoon, with Canadian troops on "the >>whale," a mountain overlooking the Shah-e-Kot valley where al-Qaeda >>fighters were putting up stiff resistance. >>Operation Harpoon, carried out in conjunction with Operation Anaconda, >>consisted of 500 Canadian and 100 U.S. troops under the command of >>Lieutenant-Colonel Pat Stogran, who leads Canadian Forces in Afghanistan >>in the biggest ground offensive since the Korean War. >>Lieutenant Justin Overbaugh, of the American scout platoon to which the >>Canadian snipers were attached, said it was a pleasure to work with the >>Canadian troops. "Their professionalism was amazing," Lieut. Overbaugh >>said. "The Canadians were a very large asset to the mission. I would have >>loved to have 12 Canadian sniper teams out there. I'd have no problems >>fighting alongside of them again." >>He said the Canadian snipers had equipment far superior to theirs. Their >>rifles had longer range than the U.S. weapons and better high-tech >>sights. Lieut. Overbaugh said if another mission comes up, he will >>request the Canadian sniper teams be sent with his unit. >>Senior military officials in Ottawa made a point of praising their work >>at the time. "The sniper teams suppressed enemy mortars and heavy >>machine-gun positions with deadly accuracy," Vice-Admiral Greg Maddison >>said after Operation Harpoon ended. "Their skills are credited with >>likely having saved many allied lives." >> >><< image5.jpg >> > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man." 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