How come Hitler made a concordat with
Pope Pius if what is written below is so?
DAVEH: For the same reasons he made non-aggression pacts with other
European and Asian countries....It gave him a measure of freedom to do
dastardly things while the other guys were sleeping peacefully,
thinking Hitler was not a threat to them.
Hitler admired the structure of the rcc and that he organized his
SS along the same lines.
DAVEH: The author seemed to think otherwise.......
Catholicism, however, never appealed to the Nazis. (Hitler said on a
number of occasions that he was nearer in spirit to Protestantism.)
..........To me it seemed he gave lip service to the RCC to keep them
from getting restless, so to speak. Then there is the diplomatic
effect such a pact might give the RCC folks, both inside and outside
Germany. In effect, he was marshaling forces that included large
numbers of RCC troops who would be both allying with other RCC factions
(viz., the Italian troops) to fight against RCC folks in the allied
countries. Any goodwill gestures he could evoke before the conflict
would be to his advantage during the conflict.
Judy Taylor wrote:
How come Hitler made a concordat with
Pope Pius if what is written below is so? I've read that Hitler
admired
the structure of the rcc and that he
organized his SS along the same lines. Also the rcc underground
network
helped many notorious Nazis escape to
South America and other places.
thus,
Bro, Nazis ain't Protestant
DAVEH: Your logic is flawed on this, G, and you seem to be stuck in a
box trying desperately to separate Nazism from Protestantism.........
When the Nazis seized power in 1933, the Protestant churches had
suffered a decade of steep numerical decline; in that year, however,
they began to gain members. For millions of German Protestants the Nazi
regime signaled a revival of Christianity after the decadent, morally
uncertain years of the Weimar Republic. Many Protestants, including
pastors, became keen Nazi party members and officials. When, after
1937, relationships between the Protestant churches aim the Nazi state
deteriorated and churchmen were dismissed from official posts, there
was much disappointed protest.
Catholicism, however, never appealed to the Nazis. (Hitler said
on a number of occasions that he was nearer in spirit to
Protestantism.) Principally this was because Catholicism was
internationalist in outlook, while German Protestants were for the most
part fiercely nationalist. But the Nazis's detestation of Rome derived
also from their skewed notions about the papacy. The Vatican was, of
course, a foreign power, which disqualified it from having any right of
influence in insurgent Germany. It was also regarded as the culpable
party in a centuries-old perversion of Christianity: materialist,
luxurious and, above all, Jewish. (Hitler asserted a belief that all
the most notorious Renaissance popes were Jews, the front men for the
great Jewish conspiracy to achieve world domination.)
.......Interestingly,
the paganists were a minority, much derided by Hitler and
Goebbels, who remained nominal Catholics and paid church taxes to the
end.
.......the author claims Hitler was a lip serving Catholic, but yet is
seems obvious that his heart was with Protestantism. The above site
can be found at.......
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_16_121/ai_n8702389
........Pictures you referred to can be found at.......
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
.......As you run down through the pictures, please note the crosses on
the graves of the Nazis. From what I've heard promoted on TT a short
time ago, those crosses represent Christians. (I suggested they
represented people who had died.)
Now, if you read further down the page.......
Mass meeting of the German Christian Movement
13 Nov.1933
A radical wing of German Lutheranism and the main Protestant branch
supporting Nazi ideology, the German Christian Movement reconciled
Christian doctrine with German nationalism and antisemitism.
..........and........
Ludwig Müller, a Nazi sympathizer, and a candidate of Hitler,
was elected to the position of Reich Bishop in 1933 as Hitler attempted
to unite regional Protestant churches under Nazi control. Hitler did
not practice separation of Church & State.
Berlin, Germany, November 17, 1933.
.......you will notice a picture of LM. A few pictures later, you can
see LM performing the Christian wedding of Goring, with Hitler as his
best man.
Shortly thereafter, you can imagine the influence Catholicism had
on Hitler in his youth that failed to stick from his Mother's cemetery
picture........
Hitler's mother's grave
Klara Hitler was a pious Catholic mother who raised Hitler according to
her beliefs.
Hitler felt grief-stricken over his mother's death. She was buried
alongside her husband in Linz, Austria. German soldiers here pay their
respects to the grave in 1938.
Note the Christian cross on her monument.
........so it becomes obvious that Hitler had roots in Catholicism that
were merely catered to for political purposes. He seemed much more
intent on focusing on Protestantism.
As you get closer to the bottom, you can see pictures that
reflect........
Deutsche Christen (German Christians)
The Deutsche Christen (DC) became the voice of Nazi ideology within the
Evangelical Church (the Religious Right of their day) and approved by
Hitler. They proposed a church "Aryan paragraph" to prevent
"non-Aryans" from becoming ministers or religious teachers. Most church
leaders solidly supported the "Judenmission." Only a very few number of
Christians opposed Nazism such as the "Confessing Christians" (a Church
movement not recognized by the Protestant orthodoxy) headed by Dietrich
Bonhoeffer. The support of Nazism by the majority of German Christians
and German Christian leaders shows the danger of mixing religion with
government.
The photo on the left shows Christian worshippers of Christ and Nazism
on the march in front of the Berlin Cathedral. SS guards stand at
attention. The head of the march shows members in party and SA uniforms
while pastors follow in the rear.
Note the flags with the Christian cross with the swastika in the middle
(also described as the Double Cross).
.........Rather interesting, isn't it G! Kinda puts to rest your
theory that Nazis ain't
Protestant.
.
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wrote:
even
untwisted history can't fathom THAT, let alone WHY Hitler could form a
formal state church/alliance with the German Catholics under the regime
of Pius XII; regardless, there's a v famous, then contemporary pic
of Pius XIIs Reichs-Bishop among Nazis saluting Hitler at a cathedral
in downtown Berlin c.1939--thus, Bro, Nazis ain't Protestant
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